David Moyes

[Bumble]

I agree with him. I think it is amazing.

Our net spend over the last 5 years is £12.13m. Our squad is still not fit for purpose. Multiple teams in the Championship have a higher net spend than that.

The teams immediately above and below us have the following net spend for the same period -

Bounemouth 6th - £128.76m
Brighton 7th - £0.53m (wow by the way)
Brentford 8th - £103.25m
Chelsea 9th - £643.81m
Fulham 11th - £143.36m
Sunderland 12th - £140.04m
Newcastle 13th - £430.61m
Palace 14th - £201.47m
Forest 15th - £328.86m
Leeds 16th - £75.4m
Spurs 17th - £578.86m
West Ham 18th - £317.1m

Apart from a few random outliers, money spent determines the positions teams finish. Moyes is significantly outperforming the vast majority of his peers in the league, with a squad that has a few good players but is still nowhere near good enough on the whole.

It is amazing that we're near Europe, and still have an outside chance of getting it with 2 games to go. I completely understand some of the issues people have with Moyes, but he's doing a brilliant job in relation to resources invested in the team.

You can quote all the historic stats you want but I'm not having it that it is 'amazing' for Everton Football Club to be challenging for a Conference League spot, after spending well over £100m last summer and which this season qualification extends all the way down into mid table.

We can appreciate we have had a solid season without feeling grateful for it.

[Risky]

That cant be right surely? AI says he is but have him on 250k a week plus bonuses which seems utterly ridiculous and has give me sport as the source. If you just type in what does he earn it comes up with 100k which seems much more likely

I don't know, I'd seen it said on Twitter I think and then when I googled it then it seemed to back it up. I've not checked multiple sources, and I'm not saying it's 100% right - in fact I hope it's wrong.

[777Kidnappings]

I don't know, I'd seen it said on Twitter I think and then when I googled it then it seemed to back it up. I've not checked multiple sources, and I'm not saying it's 100% right - in fact I hope it's wrong.

Who knows but id be worried moshiri had snuck back in if hed managed to negotiate that.

[Bluedylan1]

You can quote all the historic stats you want but I'm not having it that it is 'amazing' for Everton Football Club to be challenging for a Conference League spot, after spending well over £100m last summer and which this season qualification extends all the way down into mid table.

We can appreciate we have had a solid season without feeling grateful for it.

You do realise £100m spend in a summer for a Premier League team isn't a big deal? It's not 2007.

Burnley spent over £80m last summer, Leeds spent £92m and Sunderland spent £139m all coming from the Championship.

We're miles behind and playing catch up. Teams in the relegation zone have a number of players we would be envious of. Look at the squads of clubs like Newcastle and Brighton. They're miles better than us in depth and quality. I would argue Spurs have a much better squad than us, when they get players back. If Moyes was managing Newcastle's squad, I'm confident in saying they'd be in a Champs League position.

He's doing a lot with very little, and unfortunately as much as it was lovely to dream of Europe, the lack of quality and depth has caught up with us a little bit at the end of the season. Having Grealish available for the whole season could've made that difference but it wasn't to be.

That's not to say he's done everything perfectly. He's been passive with subs at times. He could've integrated players like Rohl and Iroegbunam much more often, much earlier. Of course he's far from perfect. Neither is Arteta or Guardiola or any manager alive. But he's significantly outperforming many of the other managers in the league, in relation to resources, and that's all you can ask for.

If he reaches a ceiling in a season or twos time, then sound, we can have that conversation then and look to move in a different direction. But we're not there yet.

[Bumble]

You do realise £100m spend in a summer for a Premier League team isn't a big deal? It's not 2007.

Burnley spent over £80m last summer, Leeds spent £92m and Sunderland spent £139m all coming from the Championship.

We're miles behind and playing catch up. Teams in the relegation zone have a number of players we would be envious of. Look at the squads of clubs like Newcastle and Brighton. They're miles better than us in depth and quality. I would argue Spurs have a much better squad than us, when they get players back. If Moyes was managing Newcastle's squad, I'm confident in saying they'd be in a Champs League position.

He's doing a lot with very little, and unfortunately as much as it was lovely to dream of Europe, the lack of quality and depth has caught up with us a little bit at the end of the season. Having Grealish available for the whole season could've made that difference but it wasn't to be.

That's not to say he's done everything perfectly. He's been passive with subs at times. He could've integrated players like Rohl and Iroegbunam much more often, much earlier. Of course he's far from perfect. Neither is Arteta or Guardiola or any manager alive. But he's significantly outperforming many of the other managers in the league, in relation to resources, and that's all you can ask for.

If he reaches a ceiling in a season or twos time, then sound, we can have that conversation then and look to move in a different direction. But we're not there yet.

All valid points. We have had a solid season. But still maintain we shouldn't be grateful and think it's amazing for striving to break into the top half of the table and dreaming of a European jaunt into the lower echelons of European football.

[777Kidnappings]

You do realise £100m spend in a summer for a Premier League team isn't a big deal? It's not 2007.

Burnley spent over £80m last summer, Leeds spent £92m and Sunderland spent £139m all coming from the Championship.

We're miles behind and playing catch up. Teams in the relegation zone have a number of players we would be envious of. Look at the squads of clubs like Newcastle and Brighton. They're miles better than us in depth and quality. I would argue Spurs have a much better squad than us, when they get players back. If Moyes was managing Newcastle's squad, I'm confident in saying they'd be in a Champs League position.

He's doing a lot with very little, and unfortunately as much as it was lovely to dream of Europe, the lack of quality and depth has caught up with us a little bit at the end of the season. Having Grealish available for the whole season could've made that difference but it wasn't to be.

That's not to say he's done everything perfectly. He's been passive with subs at times. He could've integrated players like Rohl and Iroegbunam much more often, much earlier. Of course he's far from perfect. Neither is Arteta or Guardiola or any manager alive. But he's significantly outperforming many of the other managers in the league, in relation to resources, and that's all you can ask for.

If he reaches a ceiling in a season or twos time, then sound, we can have that conversation then and look to move in a different direction. But we're not there yet.

Its a lot of money for players that wouldn't make our first XI

[Robioto]

Fine with how this season has gone.

You don’t just get over the last four years overnight.

It takes time to be a proper football club.

New owners, new manager, new recruitment team, new stadium.

Next season is different though. Expectations across the board for me and heads should roll if we don’t qualify for Europe and are more competitive in the cups as well.

This is where I am, struggling to be overly critical of this season as a whole despite the painful disappointment from the past 4 games.

Next year needs to be better and the summer recruitment has to finally fill the gaping holes in the squad. No excuses.

[Cods]

The historical-sentiment-induced expectation levels of a former great club is surely on the wane?

Truth is we've barely been top 10 since Moyes was last here.

Our average league position since the premier league's inception is 12th. We haven't been a true performer/contender in 40 years.

We've been massively underfunded, or completely mismanaged and asset stripped over the latter seasons of the Premier League era, and especially so compared to the others we used to rub shoulders with upon the inception of the league.

We are 14th(!) over the last decade's net spend league table. The net transfer spend that former minnows Man City and Chelsea (at least the figures they reported on the books) are in excess of 4x times ours (including the Moshiri splurge)!

Chelsea's net spend was reportedly €1.3bn under Abramovic and is near €0.9bn under Boehly. They're currently ahead of us on goal difference.

Similar former solid clubs to ours, Leeds and Forest, who spent all but the last 3 or 4 seasons outside the top division over the last couple of decades, have similar 10yr net spends to ours.

It's a near-miracle we're not in league 2, and a slice of luck we're not a 'former entity'.

Thankfully we've hit rock bottom financially and are starting to look upwards, over the next season or two our internal structure and youth systems should start to bear fruit. But the handbrake is still partly on.

Let's be thankful of the stability and some upward momentum, whilst we repair.

[MIG]

If we sign a RB, LB, striker and winger in the summer then yeah next season is the true test.
We all know that is what the squad needs so it’s unfair to fully judge Moyes until he has the squad we know is capable of a push for Europe.
I’m fine with this season. As long as we push on and continue our progress.