Financial Fairplay Investigation - 2025 Nobody in Breach

[sam of the south]

I’m becoming slightly unnerved by the amount of Liverpool fans I know and have seen on social media saying they support us in this and that they don’t want us to go down. Never thought I’d see the day when I’d have text messages from them saying ‘I hope you don’t go down’

Me too, but I’m choosing to find it patronising and superior

[sam of the south]

Burnley, Leeds and Leicester confirm they are going to sue us for a combined £300m

Leicester should pipe the fuck down.

They paid off out of court when they were in breach, and then won the league.

[Gary1878]

The more I have time to think about it the more angry it makes me.

A made up punishment of 10 points from thin air. No justification and real mitigating circumstances just thrown out the window.

I know we have been terribly managed from a financial standpoint and the last few years have been disastrous. But there have also been some genuine mitigating circumstances well out of the clubs control;

- Covid
- Ukraine War, meaning £200m USM sponsorship disappeared overnight
- Record signing Sig becomes worthless overnight
- Stadium Build (In control of this but some factors of the cost of the build not taken into consideration at all)

I would take this much further than the Appeals committee. This needs to go to the courts for the following reasons:

- Not a fair and proportionate punishment
- Several genuine mitigating circumstances outlined above not considered
- No precedent for the calculation of the amount of points deducted

And if it doesn't go to the courts in the first instance, Everton will now be monitoring every single Premier League FFP decision going forwards that doesn't meet the precedent set by our case.

To conclude, in my view, this punishment will almost certainly be downgraded. Not because we did wrong, but because it sets a very dangerous precedent for future FFP cases given that one minor breach of FFP has meant such a high amount of points deducted. It puts the Premier League in a very difficult position moving forward for future cases against Man City and others, because they will now have to hand down a fair and proportionate punishment in line with what was handed to Everton.

[Silas]

The issue isn't we shouldn't be punished, we probably should be, it's the lack of consistency when there are clubs getting away with far more. We've done the equivalent of a family getting snowed under trying to get the best for their kids with payday loans. We haven't done anything particularly awful

[777Kidnappings]

Does anyone think burnley Leicester or anyone who were relegated would have a case to sue if we had been deducted the points and still stayed up?? If not what are they suing for?? The fact we've been allowed due process?? The fact that the premier league weren't prompt enough for their liking. I don't really understand how they can sue us. We cheated and got the punishment. What happens if we are relegated this season. Then Luton or Sheffield or even Burnley have benefitted 100m from something that should have previously been dealt with. Do they give that to us to cover the money we paid burnley

We should have had 1 10pt penalty (apparently) we've had that. It should have or could have led to 1 relegation... it might still. Now we owe 300m on top. None of it makes sense. The time it takes to issue punishments is what it is and it's nothing to do with everton. Surely there can't be extra financial costs because of due process

[sam of the south]

I’m more concerned that Everton are being fined more than the super league scab 6 combined, plus not one point was deducted from any of them for undermining the entire history and future of the English game.

I guess that’s what leverage, influence and wealth does for you.

Not only that, but Everton have been running every financial decision past the EPL for a good while now, and I get the whiff that this independent commission is about as independent as a Tory review.

Everton are a perfect club to make an example of: Zero presence in the media, unsuccessful for a long period, but a big enough traditional name to make a sizeable ripple from this power flex.

I’m just about done with club football I think. It’s about as interesting as ultra physical chess at this point anyway, so a lot of the visceral joy and abandon of yesteryear has dissipated for me.

[4evablu]

The reason they gave for not sanctioning the big 6 breakaway group was “they didn’t want to punish the fans”
I think I’ve been told there’s many Everton fans forums in social media?
Why doesn’t each forum send in a text twitter or whatever explaining it is exactly the fans they’re punishing with this with a petition or something signed by every Evertonian they can contact demanding a full explanation of how:
1.they think this sanction is not punishing the fans ?
2. How they reached the arbitrary points deduction decision?
3. Why they basically told the “independent” commission to find us guilty?
4. Why they told the “independent” commission to come down hard on Everton with a suggested 12 point deduction?
5. Why it’s taking so long to bring city & chelsea to a committee yet “pushed” ours through.
As fans of this great club we now need to come together as one voice to highlight the injustice forced upon us the fans.
Rant over

[eyesalwaysblue]

No worse a feeling than injustice

[Escalator]

Re point five. Was in one of the t.v news reports today that it may take up to two years more before the City case goes to a panel review. Difference is that we were one case of infringement and we admitted it, City are not admitting to all 114 cases which therefore have to be investigated individually before they can be judged.

[Gary1878]

I honestly don't see how or what they can sue for. There is no proof or evidence that because we broke the league's arbitrary financial rules that this had anything to do with their relegation.

This also isn't a Carlos Tevez situation where it is clear one player kept West Ham up. We actually got far worse after spending lots of money rather than better. It isn't clear and there is no evidence that we would have been any worse had we not spent the money.

In any case, this is all dealt with in the PL rules of the competition. We have already been dealt with very harshly under those rules. I don't see how they could legally further press for compensation.

And Where would it stop? It's all about setting a precedent. What if they won in the courts? And then the next season, a terrible refereeing decision went against a club that relegated them instead of another side. Will they then be able to sue the PL and FA for damages? Or what about a player that dived during a game and won a penalty against them which then relegated that side? Sue the player?

And then what if Man City get found guilty? Sue them for loss of potential revenue over a 15 year period and loss of winnings? The claims would never end.

[Sirblue57]

Can of worms has been opened. No way the PL can get out of this unscathed......if and i mean IF we di it right..



We are screwed aren't we..????

[Audrey Horne]

Is it confirmed then? The being sued for 300 mil? or is it bullshit click bait?

[blueToffee]

Is it confirmed then? The being sued for 300 mil? or is it bullshit click bait?

Just speculation at this point.

[TheRam]

Quite a few media have reported it.

Telegraph, mail, etc…

May well be rubbish but enough outlets are putting it out there.

I don’t see how they can sue us and win, but I get the impression we can’t even afford decent lawyers so our arse is in the air ready to be fucked by anyone who fancies it.

[CannockPricey]

I can't see how suing Everton would work. Everton have been punished and deducted ten points (whether that is upheld or not will be seen in due course) so haven't got away scot free.

The issue for Burnley/Leicester etc would be the timing of the penalty which falls upon the body doing the investigation and imposing the penalty, not the party receiving it.

They may or may not have a case but I just don't follow how it could be against us.