David Moyes

[Lazarou II]

Can't see this being discussed anywhere else on the internet?

It was on Talkshite and a few mentioning stuff on ToffeeTV chat, so it must be true.

[Cereal Killer]

I wonder what the benefit is of offering a manager a long term contract when you're actively looking to sell the club?

Doesn't make sense.

“Thanks for keeping us up when we took over, here’s a juicy three year deal so you get a nice golden goodbye when the new owners bin you off”

[sam of the south]

He could be our manager until he keels over on the touchline after a meek 1000th derby defeat

[cassius]

If the three year deal is true, then TFG's objective is to stick with someone who will keep us in the league but offer nothing more during the sale process, and that it's going to take more than 12 months to sell up.

[Cods]

Every decision a manager makes can attract criticism, some valid, some not, some without the reasoning or background as to why a particular decision is made, or a preference to do something in a particular way.

But what I don't get is the arrogance some fans seem to have where they think, for example, they know better than a manager who is in the top 10 of all time English football games managed. Ever.

Fans without the managerial experience, training, time in the sport itself, first team football, etc etc...

Now obviously no manager is beyond reproach for each and every decision, and it's subjective, but the ego and arrogance is hilarious.

This isn't a defence of Moyes specifically, more so any fan criticising an experienced manager with an air of condescension.

The irony of the 'when will he learn' type comments.

Reality check required.

[Kerryblueboy]

I’d say 2 wins in 15 games is a fair reality check

[Cods]

Compared to how many?

[Raptor]

Every decision a manager makes can attract criticism, some valid, some not, some without the reasoning or background as to why a particular decision is made, or a preference to do something in a particular way.

But what I don't get is the arrogance some fans seem to have where they think, for example, they know better than a manager who is in the top 10 of all time English football games managed. Ever.

Fans without the managerial experience, training, time in the sport itself, first team football, etc etc...

Now obviously no manager is beyond reproach for each and every decision, and it's subjective, but the ego and arrogance is hilarious.

This isn't a defence of Moyes specifically, more so any fan criticising an experienced manager with an air of condescension.

The irony of the 'when will he learn' type comments.

Reality check required.

If we had Carlo in charge id fully get behind this comment, but we haven't. We've got a manager that's in the top 10 games managed, yet he's only ever won one pitiful competition, constantly plays negative anti football, has an horrific record against the big six, and despite all of this sticks with the same tactics, over and over again.
You can never stop learning, but for Moyes it feels like he never had an appetite to learn, it's more of I'll do the same thing over and over again, even if it's evident it doesn't work, which statistically it is.

[TheRam]

Every decision a manager makes can attract criticism, some valid, some not, some without the reasoning or background as to why a particular decision is made, or a preference to do something in a particular way.

But what I don't get is the arrogance some fans seem to have where they think, for example, they know better than a manager who is in the top 10 of all time English football games managed. Ever.

Fans without the managerial experience, training, time in the sport itself, first team football, etc etc...

Now obviously no manager is beyond reproach for each and every decision, and it's subjective, but the ego and arrogance is hilarious.

This isn't a defence of Moyes specifically, more so any fan criticising an experienced manager with an air of condescension.

The irony of the 'when will he learn' type comments.

Reality check required.

Always the dumbest of arguments this.

[Cods]

If we had Carlo in charge id fully get behind this comment, but we haven't. We've got a manager that's in the top 10 games managed, yet he's only ever won one pitiful competition, constantly plays negative anti football, has an horrific record against the big six, and despite all of this sticks with the same tactics, over and over again.
You can never stop learning, but for Moyes it feels like he never had an appetite to learn, it's more of I'll do the same thing over and over again, even if it's evident it doesn't work, which statistically it is.

Yeah I dont disagree with most of that. And to be fair little of it is new sentiment. It can be pretty much every second post at times.

The context and the point was around fan's arrogance and commentary, that they believe they know and would do better, rather than different, given the chance.

The condescension. The lack of any capacity to admit errors in their own summations.

They've no idea of the behind the scenes, players character, contract stipulations etc. Not a clue. Assumption after assumption, criticism yet no suggested holistic solution.

The point also wasn't referencing Moyes in particular, just that he's here now so is in the frame, the same sentiment applies for Sage at Palace, Carrick at Man United, etc etc.

Carlo is one of the best managers to have lived, record to show for it, but still he has critics and has been roundly ridiculed at times.

There's a reason why those who could apparently do better, by their own judgement, dont.

[Cods]

Always the dumbest of arguments this.

Thanks for your excellent input into this discussion.

[TheRam]

Thanks for your excellent input into this discussion.

You’re welcome.

It’s certainly more useful than whatever garbage you’re coming out with.

[Kerryblueboy]

The argument that fans are arrogant to want changes like the end of last season when he played the same side over and over when it wasn’t working and if you want to talk about arrogance look how he treated the reporter who dared to ask if he got it wrong

[Trowel]

Odd article on the BBC site this morning - you'd think Moyes is playing these "youngsters" at every opportunity and we're flying

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 0pv70jwrjo

[Audrey Horne]

They dont give a shit about us, dont research into us, dont care!