David Moyes

[Raptor]

Disgusting that table.

Pathetic

I find it a bit weird, it almost looks like if you go into those games with no intention of winning, you generally don't win #shock

[Bumble]

Feels like every single game the side go out with the words 'Stay in the game until 70 mins' ringing in their ears.

No game plan. Same players, same formation, same energy week after week.

70 mins subs, usually predictable.

Whatever mojo he may have once had is gone. Just going through the motions now.

[TheRam]

This guy has managed us for more than a third of my lifetime.

And people will still tell me to be more positive and grateful.

Get to fuck.

Sick of it all.

[Gary1878]

It goes beyond Moyes but there is clearly no strategy at the moment to improve the club. Especially now with a sale going through.

What is the long term end objective? CL football? The league? To just stay up?

We all get this with our jobs, but what is our mission statement. Just to exist and be a nice family club with a fantastic foundation for the community? Or to actually compete?

It’s not been made clear at any point what we are trying to achieve as a club. Not in my lifetime. Moshiri was perhaps the one with any ambition. Ultimately his crazy ambition got us an unbelievable stadium, points deductions and Ancelotti. But at least he wanted to take us somewhere.

The club are in real danger in my eyes of losing season ticket holders by the thousands if they aren’t careful. They will support Everton but not with the hard earnt money in their pockets.

You can’t just keep being a middling entity like we are with zero ambition. That’s what Moyes represents to me and the fans will start reconsidering their time and money if things don’t change.

[kramer]

He was the one keeping the bottom falling out when Kenwright owned the club. It only took Martinez two years to squander what he had built so meticulously.

Now that we can spend solidly for players due to the financial might of the league, that stuff isn’t so important anymore.

There has to be someone out there who can sprinkle some tactical bravery on top of what’s already here. You don’t have to sacrifice standards for professionalism and work rate in order to have more of a go or play more with the ball.

[Audrey Horne]

Can't wait for him to start getting snarky with the fans again. Telling us we should be grateful etc

[Cozzie]

Get some modern and ambitious owners in first. But this could take a while.

[Raptor]

He was the one keeping the bottom falling out when Kenwright owned the club. It only took Martinez two years to squander what he had built so meticulously.

Can't really argue with the first bit, however, there is context. Moyes made himself pivotal to everything at Everton, and he decided everything.
Martinez came in and took over a very good team, but there was no structure, no DoF to oversee and support, there was no real strategy as it was only ever Moyes.
Unless it was Moyes taking over himself, I think anyone would've had a similar outcome.
That's the risk again now - invest in Moyes again, someone who wants total control, no DoF, no long-term strategy, it's not sustainable

[Bumble]

Can't wait for him to start getting snarky with the fans again. Telling us we should be grateful etc

It won't be long.

[Cozzie]

We're just dull from top to bottom aren't we.

He just epitomises it.

[Raptor]

Hopefully he'll be round Fergie's house this afternoon to be confirmed as the next Man U manager again, now that Carrick's on his way out. Only this time they can take him straight away, and we won't have to give him a farewell tour

[kramer]

Can't really argue with the first bit, however, there is context. Moyes made himself pivotal to everything at Everton, and he decided everything.
Martinez came in and took over a very good team, but there was no structure, no DoF to oversee and support, there was no real strategy as it was only ever Moyes.
Unless it was Moyes taking over himself, I think anyone would've had a similar outcome.
That's the risk again now - invest in Moyes again, someone who wants total control, no DoF, no long-term strategy, it's not sustainable

The manager-does-everything model was all Kenwright knew, Moyes didn’t make it that way.

Martinez wanted that level of control as well, he just vastly overestimated his own competence in most areas. He was a better tactician than Moyes but punted things like fitness, set pieces, and even professionalism and was utter dogshit at recruitment. Whatever bump we got from knowing how to move the ball to open the opposition up was offset by getting run off the pitch in the last 30 minutes by fitter opponents, getting battered from dead ball situations, and having a lower quality of player across the pitch aside from a few top adds like Barry, Lukaku, and Deulofeu.

Rangnick would have modernized the club had he been appointed. Kind of a bummer that we had him in the room. His style would’ve suited Goodison and he could’ve set us up to be sustainable earlier instead of spending a decade in the wilderness with absolutely no direction.

[Shogun]

Bottom half now btw.

[AjaxAndy]

It goes beyond Moyes but there is clearly no strategy at the moment to improve the club. Especially now with a sale going through.

What is the long term end objective? CL football? The league? To just stay up?

We all get this with our jobs, but what is our mission statement. Just to exist and be a nice family club with a fantastic foundation for the community? Or to actually compete?

It’s not been made clear at any point what we are trying to achieve as a club. Not in my lifetime. Moshiri was perhaps the one with any ambition. Ultimately his crazy ambition got us an unbelievable stadium, points deductions and Ancelotti. But at least he wanted to take us somewhere.

The club are in real danger in my eyes of losing season ticket holders by the thousands if they aren’t careful. They will support Everton but not with the hard earnt money in their pockets.

You can’t just keep being a middling entity like we are with zero ambition. That’s what Moyes represents to me and the fans will start reconsidering their time and money if things don’t change.

Obviously Moshiri was a lunatic and I'd not want anyone like that anywhere near the club ever again.

However as you mentioned, he brought in Ancelotti when the other option was Moyes. We then sat top of the league with James pulling the strings, even if it were but a fleeting moment in time.

He also spent many years chasing Simeone as manager, which never came off, but showed the ambition he had for the club.

He was an awful owner who nearly sent us in to financial oblivion, but bloody hell I wish we could have an ounce of that ambition right now!

[Big Nevs Vaz]

Didn’t watch yesterday. Didn’t even bother catching up with the highlights. The most predictable 2-0 loss ever.
Still on the trajectory of Moyes gone by early new year leaving us scrambling to stay up.