Man City found guilty of 114 charges

[TheRam]

Surely the butterfly effect applies to all of this though.

[AjaxAndy]

they’ll never be 15 clubs voting them out

I was thinking this too...

15/4 minimum vote... Meaning you'd need a max of 4 clubs who don't want the same punishment applied to them once they also get found guilty of something similar.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I reckon there's definitely other clubs right now who are quaking in their boots.

Although if I were the premier league I'd be doing a very deep dive in to any clubs that vote against it, because it's fairly certain they're also cooking the books.

On a side note, how pathetic is it that the Premier League can't expel a team for such huge breaches of regulation without other clubs agreeing to it. What a weak setup they have!

[brap2]

End of the prem this

[Risky]

Surely the butterfly effect applies to all of this though.

Yeah it's impossible to unpick really, things could have been totally different and we'll never know.

I think that Man Utd are an interesting one in this context. Would they have suffered the same fall from grace that they did had they not had their noisy neighbours come along and compete with them in the way they did? They might have done, as they've clearly been managed badly but you could also argue that they might have had some additional success without the addition of a competitive and loaded City on their doorstep.

But yeah the point is it's impossible to say.

[TheRam]

End of the prem this

I think this could well be true.

[Cereal Killer]

Why wouldn’t they?

International politics
Not wanting to open themselves up to similar sanctions on the future

[Cereal Killer]

I was thinking this too...

15/4 minimum vote... Meaning you'd need a max of 4 clubs who don't want the same punishment applied to them once they also get found guilty of something similar.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I reckon there's definitely other clubs right now who are quaking in their boots.

Although if I were the premier league I'd be doing a very deep dive in to any clubs that vote against it, because it's fairly certain they're also cooking the books.

On a side note, how pathetic is it that the Premier League can't expel a team for such huge breaches of regulation without other clubs agreeing to it. What a weak setup they have!

They wouldn’t vote against it either

They’d just abstain and say it was a PL issue to resolve as it’s their rules

And why the need to expel them? A massive points deduction does the same thing

[weimaranerblues]

I think this could well be true.

End of the prem this

I hope so , not sure what will then rise from the flames , but this could be the pin that finally bursts the bubble .

We've been saying for years surely all this has to come to an end at some point , but the Prem monsters was just getting bigger , guess we'll see.

[AjaxAndy]

They wouldn’t vote against it either

They’d just abstain and say it was a PL issue to resolve as it’s their rules

And why the need to expel them? A massive points deduction does the same thing

It doesn't though.

A massive points deduction relegates them.

Expulsion means they have to apply to be in the EFL. As a result the EFL can either refuse, which would mean City then have to look lower i.e.non league, or say yes but you start in league 2.

This becomes even more complex because a simple points deduction leading to relegation means they don't have to sell anyone. They could be non compliant with SCR but never be punished because they'd be promoted and never drop back down. Premier League can't impose sanctions on a team breaking EFL rules, and EFL can't impose sanctions on a team no longer in their competition.

So a points deduction leading to relegation isn't even really a punishment, they could go down, retain their best players, and the following season potentially win the premier league again.

[AjaxAndy]

It'll be interesting to see who foots the bill for the potential £1bn+ compensation they'll potentially have to pay to all clubs affected.

If the owners are forced to sell, who picks up the tab?

If City are expelled from the league, have to start in league 2, and pay multiple billions of pounds, and no one is willing to take them over in those circumstances... Would the club potentially end up folding? Seems quite possible imo.

[Shogun]

I think this could well be true.

@brap2

How so? Super League type of thing back on the table?

[Bluedylan1]

I still think it's highly unlikely but there is an outside chance it could be the end of the Prem. There's a few scenarios where that could happen.

1) City could drag it through the high court for multiple more years, including subsequent appeals, to the point where ongoing league seasons become a farce with City still in it, possibly still winning trophies while everyone knows they have cheated. The league would become a sham.

2) City won't win the appeal with the Prem commission but they could somehow overturn the case in high court, not on the substance of the charges (because they are bang to rights, having read the full document) but on some procedural error that the Prem may have made during the process, where everybody knows they are guilty but they get off on a technicality. That would cause anarchy in the league, and clubs could leave the league and try to form a new league without City.

3) The independent regulator could step in and attempt to reform the entire thing, given the fallout.

4) The threat of the UAE pulling money out of the British economy if City are punished significantly might cause an diplomatic crisis between the countries, which could completely destabilise the league.

5) Multiple other unforseeable scenarios....

I don't think the Super League is even a remote possibility anymore. None of the other big six clubs want anything to do with City. If anything they want them to be destroyed. And there wouldn't be a credible super league without all the big English clubs.

[Gash]

They're going to have to take down that Aguero statue.

[Lazarou II]

They're going to have to take down that Aguero statue.

Corrupt commentary by Tyler too, bet they had him as a communication consultant or something.

[Lazarou II]

Going to be a farce of a season if this drags on for any length of time, what happens if they win something?