Man City found guilty of 114 charges

[Gash]

PL confirming they've been found guilty of all charges.

Man City guilty of 'sham' contracts and misleading accounts - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... reg93xwzro

[Gash]

They're not just getting a slap on the wrists for this by the way.

[Shogun]

I feel quite sure we won't be playing a PL match against City next season

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Richard Masters, Chief Executive of the Premier League, said: “The core decision establishes the facts of what happened at Manchester City during this period. It details how the club systematically broke Premier League Rules for nearly a decade.

“It also vindicates the Premier League’s decision to pursue this case against Manchester City. While the process to date has been both long and difficult, the League has remained determined that the facts be established independently.

“It is a key responsibility of the Premier League to ensure that the Rules, approved by the clubs themselves, are upheld to protect the integrity of the competition. It is paramount that the League remains competitive and fair for all clubs and for the fans. We take that role extremely seriously.

“This disciplinary case, and this decision, are the most significant in Premier League history. There are elements of the case that remain to be decided, including, importantly, what sanction must follow for these breaches. Now we have the Commission’s decision, we are committed to moving swiftly through the remainder of the process, to provide certainty for the League, our clubs and fans.”

[blueToffee]

Have to say very intrigued by to see what they recommend here. The initial PL recommendation against us was 12pts lets not forget. So by that scale...

The big kicker too is the recent Burnley decision, if they're saying we're on the hook for 35 mil for one team then the implication is crazy as potentially you could say if the points deduction was so severe Man City could've been relegated in previous seasons...then surely every 18th place team during those years has a case against them..? That's before you even get into the European places that were missed too.

[777Kidnappings]

I dont think theres ever been any chance they were going to get away with it without what would be seen as a major punishment. Theyve had a 25% chance or more to be relegated this season since the verdict was announced and I imagine much of the 75% is down to it potentially dragging on into another season or a miracle 100pt season allowing them to survive a massive points deduction

Surely the premier league cant stand for a situation where they can even get back to the top though when their rules mean most of their members cant

[777Kidnappings]

Have to say very intrigued by to see what they recommend here. The initial PL recommendation against us was 12pts lets not forget. So by that scale...

The big kicker too is the recent Burnley decision, if they're saying we're on the hook for 35 mil for one team then the implication is crazy as potentially you could say if the points deduction was so severe Man City could've been relegated in previous seasons...then surely every 18th place team during those years has a case against them..? That's before you even get into the European places that were missed too.

Which also means if they could have been relegated every season then its them that should owe burnley not us

[TheRam]

I do think they could be properley fucked here.

I think if they were offered a points deduction that has them in the championship for a season or two with a massive fine they might take that.

This is fraud of the highest scale. It goes well beyond breaching financial rules.

[Gash]

They're fucked. But some of this was known from the start, questions were asked from the start how an airline that had only been going about ten years and never made a profit could pay a £400m sponsorahip deal could afford it, Etihad even had links to the owners and but the PL did nothing about it.

Hope they sink without trace and they can take the two Gallagher biffs with them.

[CannockPricey]

The nub of this problem is the fit and proper persons test. If you are going to allow a petrostate to own a football club, you fully well know they will want to lash a shit ton of money at it.

FFP/PSR etc etc were and are just ways for the elite to secure their elite status in perpetuity. There was always the chance of a Jack Walker spending money Blackburn could never realistically generate and those who expected to be champions back then (United, Arsenal etc etc) were pissed off and Abramovich style cash was an even bigger threat.

We allowed the draw bridge to be pulled up at that point and this is the system we have.

No one understands these rules but City have been found guilty of breaching them and whether the rules be well intentioned or to protect a cabal is sort of a moot point. They have been found guilty of it and if the authorities are to cling on to any modicum of respect they have to punish City appropriately.

If you use a rule of thumb that we got 8 points (after appeals) for two breaches then at 4 per breach, City end up at 456 deducted. Now that is obviously ridiculous so I think you calculate it in terms of games, 38 in the Prem is a possible 114 points, 46 in the Championship is 138, ditto league.

So 114 + 138 + 138 = 390. So they automatically get relegated three times. There are 66 points left over so they start the league two season on minus 66. There is a realistic chance they could stay up from there if they amass a fairly strong squad.

Aside from all that though, I still think it is valid to want to see the back of these rules that bake in privilege and introduce proper regulation.

For me, I would like a salary cap. Look at the NRL as a top quality competition with uncertainty of outcome. I understand some will be resistant to that but we can't have a situation long term where a legitimate, taxes paid billionaire pitches up, buys a club and can't spend money to be competitive when shysters like Jim Radcliffe can load the club with debt and continue to fire wads of cash everywhere because of a set of rules designed specifically to benefit his club.

You can believe the system needs ripping up without being an apologist for City.

[TheRam]

I think this story shows why we need financial rules tbh.

Better financial rules, but look way what they were able to get away with when they were no financial rules in place.

[TheRam]

Nearly one billion pounds worth of fraud here.

[Lazarou II]

Should never have been to go on so long. PL totally failed too.

Crazy amount of fraud.

[Cozzie]

That video of their CEO just dodging everything.

He knows they are fucked.

[777Kidnappings]

I do think they could be properley fucked here.

I think if they were offered a points deduction that has them in the championship for a season or two with a massive fine they might take that.

This is fraud of the highest scale. It goes well beyond breaching financial rules.

You'd be delighted with that. Thats just a blip before they win another 10 plus titles over the next 40 years. Its actually a nothing punishment really

[TheRam]

You'd be delighted with that. Thats just a blip before they win another 10 plus titles over the next 40 years. Its actually a nothing punishment really

I’d say that’s the best case scenario though.

I certainly don’t see a future where they’re competing at the top of the premier league for a long, long time.