Man City found guilty of 114 charges

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Bluedylan1 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2026 1:54 pm It'll absolutely have to be a drastic punishment. Anybody saying ''they won't even be relegated'' I think isn't grasping the enormity of what they've done.

They've basically voided the entirety of Premier League football from 2009 to the current day, not just for themselves but for everyone involved. It's all tainted and asterisked. It's the biggest example of cheating ever in any sport, in terms of the widespread impact on everyone.

Obviously we all know the financial rules are poorly constructed, but that's a different point. The point stands that they have knowingly cheated, deceived and covered up the cheating for the best part of 2 decades, while almost everyone else involved has followed those deeply imperfect rules.

The owners have ruined that club forever basically. This will never be forgotten about. City fans will still have this leveled at them in 50 years time, if football and the human race still exists.

Their owners have hired 28 (!) of the best lawyers in the world on vast sums of money to prevent this case from ever reaching this stage, and to prevent it from ever seeing the light of day, because of the enormity of the case and it's repercussions. And thankfully they've failed.

To people who say ''City fans will still have the memories'', I think that is pure cope from the point of view of City fans. None of the memories are real. None of the trophies are real. All of the players and managers, as brilliant as they are, who have operated under this regime are asterisked forever. I'm a huge Guardiola fan and always have been, but a decade of his managerial career basically means absolutely nothing now. It's null and void.

And there are precedents in other sports, as others have said. When you watch cycling now, the commentators won't even refer to the Lance Armstrong years. It's the dirty secret in the family that no-one talks about or acknowledges. Same with Ben Johnson and other dopers in Athletics. You don't see their races replayed in highlights packages. They are consigned to the scrapheap of history. They don't count and they'll never count.

For the Premier League to be a remotely valid thing in the coming years, with even a semblance of credibility and sporting integrity, the punishment will have to be appropriately brutal. Otherwise the global brand will be destroyed beyond repair.

What do you think is appropriate? For me if city ever win another Premier league they've gotten away with it
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777Kidnappings wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2026 2:00 pm What do you think is appropriate? For me if city ever win another Premier league they've gotten away with it
Honestly, I don't know. Is there even a punishment that fits the crime? Probably not.

Out of all the things I've seen suggested, the most logical thing to me would have to be expulsion from the Premier League, because that would mean they would have to apply to the EFL to be allowed to compete in League 2. Obviously the EFL wouldn't have to accept them into League 2, but I'm sure they would for the publicity and interest that would bring.

Ideally, they would have to start in non-league for me, but I can't see that happening.

I would say also 5 years of transfer bans on top of starting in League 2. They would obviously lose all of their existing first team players immediately, and they'd have to basically compete with their academy squad in the league. Annoyingly, their academy is so strong that it would probably be good enough to come up through the leagues relatively quickly. Maybe some of those academy players would also leave, and it wouldn't be so straight forward for them, I don't know.

And obviously an immediate forced sale from the ownership would have to be a non-negotiable, similar to Abramovich.

As I say though, I still think all of that is probably an insufficient punishment. What would you suggest?
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It's really difficult to understand what's sufficient and then speculate what the Premier League will do - I think Abu Dhabi has already put pressure on the Government too?

The ramifications and knock-on impact is equally difficult to comprehend. They've set a precedent with us - points deductions, fines and the ability for impacted clubs to sue you. Where would it all end?

It's almost as if the only way out of it for everyone would be to wind up Manchester City FC and return as FC City of Manchester and start at the very bottom of the pyramid.
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7 PSR breaches, 12 points per breach equates to -84 points this season
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Cereal Killer wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2026 2:26 pm 7 PSR breaches, 12 points per breach equates to -84 points this season
But they win the championship next season and qualify for the champions league the year after. Al because of their financial advantage built on them breaches
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777Kidnappings wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2026 2:32 pm But they win the championship next season and qualify for the champions league the year after. Al because of their financial advantage built on them breaches
Yeah

Not sure the PL have an issue with that

They’ve dished out a heavy points punishment as per the rules, they’ll probably get a nice chunky fine paid to them, and other clubs will be able to get some dirty oil money as well as compensation

Everyone’s happy



Apart from the fans, but hey, when did they ever count
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I understand the enormity of this, yet I don't think the PL will have the bottle to punish them properly.
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Does anyone think they’d demote them now? Surely a massive points deduction that means relegation is mathematically certain and also hit them with a 5 year transfer ban. Plus whatever the penalty is they’ll probably drag the appeal out over several seasons. I think the owners would happily take the points deduction.
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I agree with @Bluedylan1, but also we're basically in uncharted waters. I have fuck all idea what the right punishment would be, or what's likely to happen next.

The only thing I can have a decent guess at is that the two probably won't overlap enough.
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Bet there’s a few wishing they didn’t hit us so hard now. Every punishment will be judged against what we received. It’s pointless to just dock points as 1 year in the Championship is no punishment.

Demote to division 2 and put a transfer ban in place. Will it happen? Absolutely not.
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I’m willing to wait and see what comes with this.

I personally believe the future of the premier league hinges on this and do think they will be hit very hard.

It’s fraud on an industrial scale over nine years.

Will the premier league risk its whole integrity over one club? Are Man City really that important, over clubs like Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal who will be pressuring the premier league come down hard as it eliminates a rival.

I think best case scenario for them is a points deduction that relegates them for a season with a huge fine, and another deduction suspended.
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Should have something like 20 point deduction this year, 18 next, then 16 then 14, then 12, then 10, then 8, then 6, the 4, then 2, along with no champions league or other European tournament for the next 5 years (although I don't think the PL can enforce this themselves, but the deductions should probably account for that anyway).

I don't really care about the past titles, that ship has sailed, you can't take away the joy the fans had in those seasons.
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Blueomar wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2026 11:35 pm Should have something like 20 point deduction this year, 18 next, then 16 then 14, then 12, then 10, then 8, then 6, the 4, then 2, along with no champions league or other European tournament for the next 5 years (although I don't think the PL can enforce this themselves, but the deductions should probably account for that anyway).

I don't really care about the past titles, that ship has sailed, you can't take away the joy the fans had in those seasons.
They’d still have finished 5th last season with a 20 point deduction!
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I wonder if they do just get a small slap on the wrist they will face mutiny from the other 19 clubs.

They should all kick up a huge fuss if so as it would ruin the integrity of the whole league if they are allowed to just get away with this.
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