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Kerryblueboy wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 9:53 am
The comparison with rayan is relevant I think no one knew who rayan was before he arrived at Bournemouth dibling had a big future from his performances at Southampton 2 different managers with 2 different approaches and the results are there to see
Rayan was pretty well known amongst the big clubs as he stormed out of the blocks in the Brazilian top flight. Was always just a question of which lower tier would take a chance on him before his inevitable move to the big time.
Dibling isn't dissimilar in that he was linked with a host of huge clubs before us - the big difference is he doesn't suit the manager's tactics, and hasn't been given the support, time and space to play his own game, make mistakes, and develop.
Maybe Rayan just has a very different personality?
I find it unlikely anyone looks at Dibling and thinks he doesn't have a lot a footballing ability.
I also find it unlikely anyone thinks he's bossing it in training and Moyes just doesn't play him out of spite.
Moyes is generally well liked by players, look at the bond and affection players like Coleman and Baines have for him. Grealish too. That doesn't happen if he's a twat and spiteful bastard who just kills a career for the craic.
You get one life, and some people will be determined to maximise their opportunities, and others will be entitled and expect things to be handed to them. Dibling seems like he's unwilling or unable to fight and prove his worth, and so his career will pass him by if he doesn't learn to roll his sleeves up and prove himself.
StirlingBlue wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 8:01 am
I think Moyes is going to do something ridiculous like start him at striker vs Wolves and then use his poor performance to justify not giving him more minutes
Be a disgrace after all his swashbuckling performances from the wing
AjaxAndy wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 2:03 pm
Maybe Rayan just has a very different personality?
I find it unlikely anyone looks at Dibling and thinks he doesn't have a lot a footballing ability.
I also find it unlikely anyone thinks he's bossing it in training and Moyes just doesn't play him out of spite.
Moyes is generally well liked by players, look at the bond and affection players like Coleman and Baines have for him. Grealish too. That doesn't happen if he's a twat and spiteful bastard who just kills a career for the craic.
You get one life, and some people will be determined to maximise their opportunities, and others will be entitled and expect things to be handed to them. Dibling seems like he's unwilling or unable to fight and prove his worth, and so his career will pass him by if he doesn't learn to roll his sleeves up and prove himself.
brap2 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 2:38 pm
Bit of an assumption
Yeah sure, although also echos what the manager has said previously too.
I also don't think it's much of a reach to state that that Moyes isn't playing him despite him absolutely tearing it up in training and working his nuts off to prove the manager wrong.
When a manager constantly plays CMs out of position then you must be absolutely stinking the place out in training, or showing an attitude that doesn't warrant any minutes on the pitch.
Do I also think a more arm around the shoulder progressive manager might have him in the team, and that might potentially mean he is happier and shows more as a result? Yeah I think there's a decent chance of that also being true. But also that's not the manager he has, and so it's up to him to do what is required to impress that manager and leave him little option but to include him.
Mad the way Moyes has people thinking dibling is lazy and not ready for the league what has he played since he has been here 4-5 games maybe a very talented lad being completely mismanaged by a guy who wants to coach the off the cuff skills out of him
Kerryblueboy wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 4:40 pm
Mad the way Moyes has people thinking dibling is lazy and not ready for the league what has he played since he has been here 4-5 games maybe a very talented lad being completely mismanaged by a guy who wants to coach the off the cuff skills out of him
It was you who said he was the opposite of what moyes wants in a winger. How is it moyes fault then
AjaxAndy wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 3:12 pm
Do I also think a more arm around the shoulder progressive manager might have him in the team, and that might potentially mean he is happier and shows more as a result? Yeah I think there's a decent chance of that also being true. But also that's not the manager he has, and so it's up to him to do what is required to impress that manager and leave him little option but to include him.
So the expectation is that the player should change his personality to suit whatever manager he has at the time? Shouldn't the bigger expectation to be on the manager to change his leadership style to get the most out of the players under him?
A good leader (which is Moyes' role, not Dibling's) should be tailoring their approach to get the most out of their team
StirlingBlue wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 5:17 pm
So the expectation is that the player should change his personality to suit whatever manager he has at the time? Shouldn't the bigger expectation to be on the manager to change his leadership style to get the most out of the players under him?
A good leader (which is Moyes' role, not Dibling's) should be tailoring their approach to get the most out of their team
No a player who wants to succeed at elite level sport needs to have the right mentality to do so. Time waits for no man as the saying goes... Either you go out and you make the most of what you have, you work hard and maximise your potential, or you wait for things to happen and expect things to be handed to you on plate.
I've got absolutely zero sympathy for a player who hasn't got the mentality to succeed. There's a million talented kids who play football and never make it, and the ones who rise to the top almost without fail have an unshakable desire and work ethic that gets them there.
Step up or don't, it's ultimately up to the individual.
StirlingBlue wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 5:17 pm
So the expectation is that the player should change his personality to suit whatever manager he has at the time? Shouldn't the bigger expectation to be on the manager to change his leadership style to get the most out of the players under him?
A good leader (which is Moyes' role, not Dibling's) should be tailoring their approach to get the most out of their team
You cant just sign a player that doesnt fit a managers tactics and say adapt. Its not diblings fault or moyes. Its awful recruitment again
AjaxAndy wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 3:12 pm
Yeah sure, although also echos what the manager has said previously too.
I also don't think it's much of a reach to state that that Moyes isn't playing him despite him absolutely tearing it up in training and working his nuts off to prove the manager wrong.
When a manager constantly plays CMs out of position then you must be absolutely stinking the place out in training, or showing an attitude that doesn't warrant any minutes on the pitch.
Do I also think a more arm around the shoulder progressive manager might have him in the team, and that might potentially mean he is happier and shows more as a result? Yeah I think there's a decent chance of that also being true. But also that's not the manager he has, and so it's up to him to do what is required to impress that manager and leave him little option but to include him.
He’s young, there’s a million reasons he could be struggling in training and on the pitch.
Maybe he isn’t adjusting the expectation of playing for a bigger club, or he doesn’t suit the managers style, struggling off the pitch, lack of confidence, being away from family.
The label you’re attaching to him is very harsh.
He certainly isn’t the first young player to struggle under Moyes.
Even the ones who eventually worked out had a lot of time on the sidelines or playing out of position.
Do you not think he has a deficit of personality that leaves him unwilling or unable to grasp the hard work needed to reach the top level, not unlike the shiftless layabout showponies of Andy’s child’s football team?
TheRam wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 6:47 pm
He’s young, there’s a million reasons he could be struggling in training and on the pitch.
Maybe he isn’t adjusting the expectation of playing for a bigger club, or he doesn’t suit the managers style, struggling off the pitch, lack of confidence, being away from family.
The label you’re attaching to him is very harsh.
He certainly isn’t the first young player to struggle under Moyes.
Even the ones who eventually worked out had a lot of time on the sidelines or playing out of position.
Maybe he is just a bit shite though.
Yep all of those things may be true, but also what is true is that he's playing at the absolute pinnacle of elite football, and the reality is that if you don't step up you won't be a premier league footballer. That's the harsh reality of elite sport.
There's a million young players who'd love the opportunity he's got, so unfortunately for him he'll have to do what it takes or he won't be a top level player.
And yes others have struggled under Moyes, and those that adapted and met the expectations and standards went on to have brilliant careers with us, and those that didn't fell by the wayside.
That's the brutal reality of life at the top end of sport, shape up or ship out. I'm not saying it's right, and I have sympathy for players churned up and spat out by the system, but it is what it is, and you either make it happen for yourself or you wait around and hope it does. Only one approach leads to success.
I think its harsh to blame diblings character. Hes just not a David moyes player. Thats the bottom line dibling was never the player for us and moyes and everton were never the team or manager for him
