David Moyes

[toffee_scot]

Or he’ll become the new Allardyce, on speed dial by desperate chairman when their club looks like dropping out the league.

He already is, he was brought in here to help us escape relegation and then twice at West Ham for the same reason before

[Toddacelli]

We are getting voted as overachievers on a few things for this season from opposition fans. Are we shit?

Winning that poll might be our best achievement this season.

[Toddacelli]

Looking at the last 5 years, i think there's an argument to be had that he has been the most important player in our history.

I started writing that and intended it to be a joke. But the more i think of it, the more it might be true

It’s 100% true.

We’ve had a smattering of players who have contributed to our successes in a huge way, but they’ve generally been in teams surrounded by other players who have been important too.

The loss of Pickford would have been catastrophic for the club. We’d be down without him, for sure.

[Matt1878]

Hope supporters can get behind DM next season and not give him side-eye right from the off, creating a vibe of self fulfilling failure before we even kick a ball.

Sure a decent first 6 games and people will flip on him again.

[StirlingBlue]

Hope supporters can get behind DM next season and not give him side-eye right from the off, creating a vibe of self fulfilling failure before we even kick a ball.

Sure a decent first [emoji6] games and people will flip on him again.

It’s on Moyes to play in a way that inspires that though, more negative “hope you don’t lose” football and baffling team selections and you can’t blame the fans for turning

[Matt1878]

Taking on perpetual relegation fodder and having one transfer window to deliver Europe was unrealistic. Judging by people's predictions at the start of the season, midtable with a shout of europe would do them. Thats what they got and the team just ran out of steam.

The obvious criticism is the lack of rotation and I share that view, its something he needs to address, to prevent complacency. For a club of Everton's financial standing though you need to allow a manager several windows to build a team that he can be judged on, while considering injuries and their impact (Jack, Jarrod), plus we had no full backs and got fucked over by refs and VAR more than anyone else.

I'm just going to buy into a 2 year, 2 transfer cycle and assess at the end of it, if we're where we should be. I'll go into the new season not half expecting to be booing after the first 45 minutes and acting all entitled about it, stinking the place out.

I remember when he finished 17th and everyone wanted him gone. We sold Wayne too and he then finished 4th and went on the best 6 year run in the club's time in the PL, with no money to spend, creating a team people still talk about. You dont get back to that with a club our size by continually fucking a manager off. Look how long Dyche got serving up survival... Sack Moyes now and we could be back in the shit in no time. Its the stadium I think, got everyone expecting us to be world class because they can finally see the pitch. You have to work for everything, the stadium doesnt entitle us to suddenly think we're too good for Moyes.

[Raptor]

Taking on perpetual relegation fodder and having one transfer window to deliver Europe was unrealistic. Judging by people's predictions at the start of the season, midtable with a shout of europe would do them. Thats what they got and the team just ran out of steam.

The obvious criticism is the lack of rotation and I share that view, its something he needs to address, to prevent complacency. For a club of Everton's financial standing though you need to allow a manager several windows to build a team that he can be judged on, while considering injuries and their impact (Jack, Jarrod), plus we had no full backs and got fucked over by refs and VAR more than anyone else.

I'm just going to buy into a 2 year, 2 transfer cycle and assess at the end of it, if we're where we should be. I'll go into the new season not half expecting to be booing after the first 45 minutes and acting all entitled about it, stinking the place out.

I remember when he finished 17th and everyone wanted him gone. We sold Wayne too and he then finished 4th and went on the best 6 year run in the club's time in the PL, with no money to spend, creating a team people still talk about. You dont get back to that with a club our size by continually fucking a manager off. Look how long Dyche got serving up survival... Sack Moyes now and we could be back in the shit in no time. Its the stadium I think, got everyone expecting us to be world class because they can finally see the pitch. You have to work for everything, the stadium doesnt entitle us to suddenly think we're too good for Moyes.

What's your definition of 'perpetual', and also 'relegation battle'?

Only reason for asking is in the last 9 years we've finished 8, 8, 12, 10, 16, 17, 15, 13, 13. So realistically we have finished in or around the relegation zone 2 maybe 3 times, which were largely down to financial mismanagement and points deductions.

Why do people continually make excuses for him, like we've survived on the last day of the season, every season since he left and he's some kind of saviour?
He's a boring, very boring, manager that doesn't like the ball, in 20+ years he's basically won fuck all, I can't wait until he's gone and we can look to move forward.

[Matt1878]

Its the 16, 17, 15 in that run that is key, the 13th was him pulling us away from a similar finish. Prior to that has no bearing on what he was expected to change.

My point was, his starting position in terms of the squad quality was one consistently flirting with relegation. He steadied the ship and had one transfer window to improve the squad. During that window it was clear he was frustrated at the lack of signings until late in to that window.

We all want whats best for Everton dont we and that's my view as to whats best for us right now. If I am in just the 25% of fans that want to keep him though , we may as well fuck him off. I can't as be arsed spending the season with 75% of the fanbase not wanting him from the start, I've already sacked off the match day threads for my own sanity.

[brap2]

Closer to relegation last season than the season previous weren’t we?

Hope and the club impose some expectation and don’t allow too much grace based on sentimentality.

Achieve or leave.

[TheRam]

Taking on perpetual relegation fodder and having one transfer window to deliver Europe was unrealistic. Judging by people's predictions at the start of the season, midtable with a shout of europe would do them. Thats what they got and the team just ran out of steam.

The obvious criticism is the lack of rotation and I share that view, its something he needs to address, to prevent complacency. For a club of Everton's financial standing though you need to allow a manager several windows to build a team that he can be judged on, while considering injuries and their impact (Jack, Jarrod), plus we had no full backs and got fucked over by refs and VAR more than anyone else.

I'm just going to buy into a 2 year, 2 transfer cycle and assess at the end of it, if we're where we should be. I'll go into the new season not half expecting to be booing after the first 45 minutes and acting all entitled about it, stinking the place out.

I remember when he finished 17th and everyone wanted him gone. We sold Wayne too and he then finished 4th and went on the best 6 year run in the club's time in the PL, with no money to spend, creating a team people still talk about. You dont get back to that with a club our size by continually fucking a manager off. Look how long Dyche got serving up survival... Sack Moyes now and we could be back in the shit in no time. Its the stadium I think, got everyone expecting us to be world class because they can finally see the pitch. You have to work for everything, the stadium doesnt entitle us to suddenly think we're too good for Moyes.

We finished 13th last season.

With a bigger budget and better squad Europe was a very realistic target and it’s something we should have achieved.

Europe next season for me. No excuses.

I don’t want to hear about stability, or use the last five years as an excuse for having another poor season.

Whilst we’re sitting here talking about stability a team that finished 5th in the championship season before last is planning for a Europa league run.

[Raptor]

Its the 16, 17, 15 in that run that is key, the 13th was him pulling us away from a similar finish. Prior to that has no bearing on what he was expected to change.

My point was, his starting position in terms of the squad quality was one consistently flirting with relegation. He steadied the ship and had one transfer window to improve the squad. During that window it was clear he was frustrated at the lack of signings until late in to that window.

We all want whats best for Everton dont we and that's my view as to whats best for us right now. If I am in just the 25% of fans that want to keep him though , we may as well fuck him off. I can't as be arsed spending the season with 75% of the fanbase wanting him gone from the start, I've already sacked off the match day threads for my own sanity.

The point you make is exactly the reason why we need to get rid of him now. The squad is in need of rebuilding. We tried that during the summer, let's get youth in and build something. He has made it clear he doesn't want to build a project, he wants to build a team for now, by getting Premier League established players in. It's not the right direction imo and when he departs we will have an ageing squad that's in despair - like what he did at West ham. He was an ok manager 15/20 years ago, he's not now

[Matt1878]

Closer to relegation last season than the season previous weren’t we?

Hope and the club impose some expectation and don’t allow too much grace based on sentimentality.

Achieve or leave.

How are you working that out?

We finished 13th last season from falling down the league in the last 6 games, compared to finishing strongly in the last 6 to pull ourselves up to 13th in the season he came back.

Dont disagree with achieve or leave btw, if we dont finish top half, its time to move on.

[Indiantoffee75]

He's created a rod for his own back as far as i'm concered. He should have just shut the fuck up or answered differently when questioned about the fans frustrations.

He'll come under massive pressure in those first 6-8 games now if results pan out and we're in the bottom 6 or 7 by the end of September/early October, and rightly so.

[Matt1878]

I've already quoted a few of the plaudits he was getting 6 games back in this thread, but its obvious people want him gone 6 games later. So if we're going into next season with that lack of support for him being here, we might as we get rid of him now. You want the majority of your fans generally behind your manager or you're going downhill as soon as you hit some bumps.. and there's always some bumps.

[Audrey Horne]

He is the definition of safety.

I'm not sure anyone can argue why we have to be happy with last season, happy for safety, happy for stability etc when you see who got into Europe.

It's brainwashing, Everton fans should be satisfied with this, and tbh David Moyes is the manager who stirred up that brainwashing shite.