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It's not been easy for either striker, in and out the team, knowing that even if you start you'll get about 70 minutes max before you get hooked and some of the appeareances they've had off the bench have barely been a few minutes at the end of the game and 15-20 at best.

He's streaky but so are most strikers but his goals per minute is one every 165 minutes this season, that's pretty good going, Barry is one every 227 which is still reasonable. Compare that with DCL who lots of people thought we should have thrown the kitchen sink at especially when he went on his mad 7 or 8 game run of goals and he's just shy of 207 minutes per goal and four of those are penalties so both their numbers hold up pretty well.

Plus it helps if we play to his strengths, he'll never be a "lump it up to the big man" striker but give him something to run onto and he'll trouble defenders. Yesterday was probably his best goal for us, but if we play him like that he'll score far more.
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777Kidnappings wrote: Mon May 11, 2026 1:59 pm 2nd half of the season beto is a very decent footballer. Think hes comparable at worst to most strikers in the league. 1st half of the season beto has been awful though

Not sure theres much evidence that someone like delap is a better bet.
First 27 games of this season he started only 8 of them, and only played 2 consecutitve games of 70+ minutes = 3 goals.

Since the end of February he's played and started each of the 8 games, 5 of which were 70+ minutes consecutively, the others at least an hour = 6 goals.


Same story last season, only one start until February and only 3 games of 30+ minutes = 1 goal.

He then starts 14 of the last 16 games and gets at least an hour = 7 goals.

He needs a good run of games.
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Bumble wrote: Mon May 11, 2026 12:13 pm If we had a baller in the middle of the park he'd be running onto through balls all game and bagging a lot more than he does.

He'd also learn to time his runs better too, if he knew the balls were actually coming.
Which is why I'd move Grealish central because he's got the passing ability. Keep Indyia on the left with XYZ on the right.. hopefully Dibbling
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Philosophical Beto
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I think his point here is possibly lost on a lot of people - not the big obvious "nobody is perfect" one, but the more subtle one about forwards.

There's a lot of talk about whether to pay him in or not. About streaky runs. About minutes played and about his conversion abilities. Barry falls into this too.

But the more he is on the pitch the more he makes the runs and eventually one or 2 will come off.
No striker on the planet scores with every single chance - but you only see the goals on the highlights.

Messi, Ronaldo, Pele, Maradona, Henry, Haaland, Shearer, anybody - they all missed many more than they actually scored.

We get really down on our players for not taking every chance, mainly because we create so few of them they all feel important.
But set this lad up in his favoured way half a dozen times a game, every game, and he would sail into double figures. Easy.
So would Barry.

But there'd still be people out there complaining that he misses 5 or 6 chances a game.
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Philosophical Beto playing the beautiful game of Socrates.
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superpull wrote: Tue May 12, 2026 10:21 am I think his point here is possibly lost on a lot of people - not the big obvious "nobody is perfect" one, but the more subtle one about forwards.

There's a lot of talk about whether to pay him in or not. About streaky runs. About minutes played and about his conversion abilities. Barry falls into this too.

But the more he is on the pitch the more he makes the runs and eventually one or 2 will come off.
No striker on the planet scores with every single chance - but you only see the goals on the highlights.

Messi, Ronaldo, Pele, Maradona, Henry, Haaland, Shearer, anybody - they all missed many more than they actually scored.

We get really down on our players for not taking every chance, mainly because we create so few of them they all feel important.
But set this lad up in his favoured way half a dozen times a game, every game, and he would sail into double figures. Easy.
So would Barry.

But there'd still be people out there complaining that he misses 5 or 6 chances a game.
Andy (Andrew) Cole is the prime example.
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Bluebridge wrote: Tue May 12, 2026 1:18 pm Andy (Andrew) Cole is the prime example.
He had great movement didn’t he
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A second season in a row he’s scored at least 10 goals for us.

I know some of these goals tend to come through 1-2 month purple patches each season but still he’s proved again he is a useful player.
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I don' think we can afford to turn our noses up at a player who delivers double figures every season. Especially when we don't tend to give them an extra dozen games a season with Europe and cup runs to bump those numbers up.
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Beto is a classic example of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

People saying we need to move on from Moyes if Ireola is available and willing, but also being happy to stick with a striker who is woeful for large parts of the season is nonsensical imo.

Look he a quality guy, you absolutely have to love him for his attitude, and I get why people root for him, but having a consistently capable striker across a whole season would be an absolute game changer. Priority wise it's second only to rectify the full back positions if we want to challenge higher up the league.
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AjaxAndy wrote: Wed May 13, 2026 11:01 am Beto is a classic example of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

People saying we need to move on from Moyes if Ireola is available and willing, but also being happy to stick with a striker who is woeful for large parts of the season is nonsensical imo.

Look he a quality guy, you absolutely have to love him for his attitude, and I get why people root for him, but having a consistently capable striker across a whole season would be an absolute game changer. Priority wise it's second only to rectify the full back positions if we want to challenge higher up the league.

No one is against an upgrade but we probably need 3 strikers really and hes the best of the 2 we have. For me it makes little sense to sell him.
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I wonder how many goals Beto would be on if he had played the majority of the minutes that have been given to Barry? 15? 18?

Would we be looking to replace if he'd had that output?

Just posing the question.
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For Goals per start and per 90 he's right up there, so you'd have to think that he'd get more even if the goal rate dipped slightly. If he got to 15 I'm not sure we could complain at all.

On top of that, his hold up play and overall contribution has been better this season. He's not the long term solution for us, but I'd be looking to buy other strikers to compete with him rather than selling him.

I'd sell Barry before Beto at this point.
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777Kidnappings wrote: Wed May 13, 2026 12:26 pm No one is against an upgrade but we probably need 3 strikers really and hes the best of the 2 we have. For me it makes little sense to sell him.
We don't need 3 strikers, why would we need that many when we've gone through a season with only 2 without issue?
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