Jordan Pickford

[superpull]

I got a stats thing to show me the top keepers in the world based on stats. Pickford was 30th.
Some of the mad made up stats these days piss me off a bit so I did it purely on save percentage, no other metric, and in this one Pickford was 17th.

Then there's this

[Cereal Killer]

Then there's this

Nick Pope should definitely be starting at the World Cup if we want to win

[Cozzie]

Then there's this

Don't know whether I'm being dozy here but is this a good or a bad thing?

[777Kidnappings]

Don't know whether I'm being dozy here but is this a good or a bad thing?

We are 9 goals better off than we would be with an average Premier league keeper. So yes hes top based on that

[superpull]

We are 9 goals better off than we would be with an average Premier league keeper. So yes hes top based on that

That is what they *meant*, but the wording would have you believe the opposite.

Goals v expected goals and we're +9?
That means +9 goals yeah?

[Cods]

Trophy's are too disputable a source to use as the reason one is better.

Agree.

And sorry to pick the bones, and this probably isn't the right thread, maybe the gripes thread or whatever it's called...but there is nothing/little more irrelevant in a team game with 11 players and their combined successes or failures, that correlates to a specific individual's performance.

Trophies mean almost nothing.

If it was golf or singles tennis titles, then that is never in dispute.

In a team game that requires 10 (or more) others to contribute to a similar excellent level then it's obviously a pointless metric.

Even more so when considering the job title of goalkeeper - if this position does well then broadly speaking it's almost the antithesis of a team performing well. A keeper who is tested regularly and performs well when tested, is a true high performer. One who is hardly ever tested, despite doing well when it happens, by definition is largely not going to be as good based upon limited data and less-reliable sample sizes alone.

Yes yes, they need concentration for the whole 90...

[Matt1878]

I got a stats thing to show me the top keepers in the world based on stats. Pickford was 30th.
Some of the mad made up stats these days piss me off a bit so I did it purely on save percentage, no other metric, and in this one Pickford was 17th.

Yeah, quality of strikers and finishing across the world differs too, so like for like stats aren't really a level playing field for him.

Feels like that Newcastle save made neutrals sit up and appreciate him a bit more.

[Bluebridge]

Yeah, quality of strikers and finishing across the world differs too, so like for like stats aren't really a level playing field for him.

Feels like that Newcastle save made neutrals sit up and appreciate him a bit more.

Yes needs to be in the top three or four leagues really to get a better comparison, also taking into account the defence in front of them, I’m sure Pickford’s goals against would be significantly lower with Gabriel and Saliba instead of Keane and Tarks in front of him.
I think his last minute save against Burnley was as good as his Newcastle save too.

[sam of the south]

The knee slide is easily top 5 Everton iconic moments in my lifetime

[Toddacelli]

The knee slide is easily top 5 Everton iconic moments in my lifetime

Watching that made me so happy!

[Cods]

From my 80s and 90s eyes, the only thing lacking is that he doesn't "command" the area. Keepers should bulldoze their way through half a dozen bodies and claim balls.
But (and this is why I stand by what I said), the game is changed and no keeper does that any more really.

Ollie Khan wouldn't play more than a few games before being sent off or dropped for giving away too many penalties.

Says a lot that the game today couldn't accommodate a generational giant like Kahn.

Is a game problem.

[Cereal Killer]

Says a lot that the game today couldn't accommodate a generational giant like Kahn.

Is a game problem.

Ahhhh Kahn, that’s made me remember I saw this somewhere

[Cods]

Ahhhh Kahn, that’s made me remember I saw this somewhere

Haha, yes I think that was outlawed in Sheffield in about the 1860s, Oliver!

Bit of a brain fade.

[Toddacelli]

Keepers are different.

Campos, Higuita, Barthez, and my all time non-Blue favourite- Chilavert!

[Cods]

There were two Arsenal players at the back post so if he doesn't come it's still potentially a goal.

If he'd missed it completely then I'd say poor error, but as he diverted it enough to stop a back post header I'm more inclined say it was just a bit unfortunate.

This is the critical bit.

The assumption that, had he not come for the ball that we wouldn't have conceded, is flawed.

There were two at the back post that were in better positions than their markers (as it proved to be). There is a very good chance that either of them just nods it straight past him anyway (Pickford is a victim of his own brilliance at times).

I'd say the alternative option's outcome(s) have similar probabilities of conceding a goal in that situation. I'm sure the xG data gurus could calculate that it's likely a goal, particularly with an unmarked striker approaching the goal line, that happens either way.

Nah. On another day that touch makes the forward miss and everyone spunks themselves silly over a brilliant fingertip save.

It was the wrong decision (in hindsight) but it was still not a howler in my book.

Probably still the right decision but as you say just millimetres of difference in execution between pushing it out for a corner rather than into the attacker's lap.

A game of millimetres and fractions of seconds, yet decisions are sometimes completely black and white, like the binary scoring system and the assigning of culprits.