David Moyes

[TheRam]

My fear is more with the fans than whoever replaces moyes.

What happens if the new manager has a season similar to this one? Will people have the patience to see it out or will we be back wanting them out?

I have little faith that the fanbase has what it takes to let a so called more “progressive” work it out for 12 months before we see the best of them.

[Kerryblueboy]

Moyes is the safe hands I would like a more progressive coach who plays good football and maybe more high tempo fans on the edge of their seats type stuff but it could go all West Ham very easily

[Toddacelli]

He’s done a great job in terms of league position and stability.

He’s done a terrible job in terms of quality football and tactics.

[kramer]

He gets more time for me simply because I don’t see where the stable upgrade comes from.

I’d be intrigued if you dangled Iraola or Glasner in front of me but I think they’re both destined for bigger jobs even with the latter tanking his stock in the second half of this season (I think that turmoil largely starts at the boardroom level and has simply seeped down but you never know).

There might be some good options who are out of work but I’ll be honest and say that I can’t keep up anymore.

Overall, the management world is still almost completely devoid of people who can manage a team competently for even 3 years at a time. Too many egotists-turned-blaggers trading off of one or two good seasons, burning out and/or falling out with their squads, and leaving clubs with a pile of rubble to picked up. I’m not mentally ready to be back in that mix and to their credit, the Friedkins might know enough now to know how to keep us out of it.

Another year of Moyes with a more complete squad is fine for me. I’m sure many of the frustrations will remain but he’ll have fewer external things to point at. If he’s not up to challenging for bigger things with even better circumstances then we can make the call from there.

[NickNack]

Been very frustrated with all the square pegs in round holes recently but he’s still the man for the job for me

[AjaxAndy]

Although I'm very much in the keep Moyes camp, if Ireola wanted the job I'd jump at the chance.

But I doubt he'd come here, and whilst Moyes is matching the club's remit I also don't think we'd be sounding out potential replacements.

[TheRam]

For me, it’s a bit like when Iraola replaced O’Neil at Bournemouth after he did an ok job in keeping them in the division and it was seen as ruthless. It’s just football and they went with a better manager.

Why is it madness to suggest it’s ok now Moyes has stabilised us, to go with someone else, someone with a better track record or working with a lot of these younger players signed perhaps.

We don’t know if there is not a better manager available who will do a better job and we don’t know if we get a rookie who sends us down but the idea of replacing Moyes is not so outrageous.

If we sack moyes we’ll be sacking a manager with a brilliant track record that includes a European trophy and getting west ham into the top seven.

I’m not sure we’d get a manager with a better track record than that?

[Stumpy]

Very much 2 sides of it for me.

1. Yeah we absolutely should be happy with our league position and distance from any form of relegation trouble this season. I think anyone being realistic would have settled for this at the start of the season.

2. Moyes to me has regressed in his approach this season. When he came back last season I thought he'd taken the shackles off himself a a bit and was going to be a bit less conservative in his approach - both tactically and in terms of minutes given to players. He seems to have gone back to the dull version of Moyes and it's actually an issue because there's a really good opportunity for us to achieve more than we expected this season. Tbh the let down is probably on me for thinking that Moyes may have changed and expecting anything different, what we're seeing is classic Moyes really.

Overall I'd not be looking to get rid unless we have some sort of meltdown between now and the end of the season. Like a lot of other people have said, it's next season where we would need to really take a decision whether he's going to push us on to any higher position that we are now. Give him a chance and see where we end up.

The wild card in all of this though is TFG. We're used to Kenwright / Moshiri sentimentality and mentality when it comes to managerial sackings. TFG have shown at Roma that they're willing to bin off a popular manager who hadn't really done a lot wrong in order to be ambitious, the question is whether they'd take that approach here as well (accepting that there's different people running day to day ops at each club). Fan opinion may not be as much of a factor as it has been previously.

Great post that Risky and pretty much sums up how i'm feeling atm.
It is great that with 10 games or so left we're not looking over our shoulders and checking other teams results.
After the last 4 or 5 seasons most of us would more than take treading water in mid table to the fear of the drop.
I had a pop at him on monday on this thread, it was in the heat of the moment after another really frustrating home defeat in which once again i thought we showed to much respect for united and too little ambition to actually try to win the game.
And yes part of the frustration is that like many others i thought he'd thrown the handcuffs off and we would see a more attractive style of play, but he has clearly reverted to type.
I certainly don't want him gone, the idea of that is rather daft, he's done a great job to get us where we are.
He's right what he says, it is fine margins, if we had won the 3 home games in which we lead and didn't win then we wouldn't be having this debate.
I just wish he would show a bit more ambition at home and really go at sides

[blueforyou]

No
Very good short term appointment
Time for a great long term appointment; not easy, but has to be done

[Bluenose91]

Think his contract situation makes it more of a pressing issue.

He definitely doesn't deserve to be sacked but then I don't think I'd be extending either. It can put fans and players in a strange position when they know the manager is off in a few months.

Feel like if they aren't going to extend they'd be better making the change this summer.

[Bumble]

He just makes it more difficult than it should be to stay on board with him.

His repeated negative tactics and outlook, playing players out of position and obsession with his favourites just puts unnecessary pressure on himself.

If I thought he would produce a better brand of football with better players then I'd be up for him staying as long as he wants and working through another few transfer windows.

Unfortunately the man will never change so you have to take a view of; are we happy seeing this every week for the foreseeable?

[Cereal Killer]

He just makes it more difficult than it should be to stay on board with him.

His repeated negative tactics and outlook, playing players out of position and obsession with his favourites just puts unnecessary pressure on himself.

If I thought he would produce a better brand of football with better players then I'd be up for him staying as long as he wants and working through another few transfer windows.

Unfortunately the man will never change so you have to take a view of; are we happy seeing this every week for the foreseeable?

Sounding like a West Ham fan there…

[Bumble]

Sounding like a West Ham fan there…

Of course. Not entirely sure why that is so surprising.

[Cereal Killer]

Of course. Not entirely sure why that is so surprising.

I suppose they’ll get to enjoy watching their slightly less shit football in the Championship

[superpull]

He’s done a great job in terms of league position and stability.

He’s done a terrible job in terms of quality football and tactics.

For me, its a simple fact that the former is a kagillion percent more important than the latter.
Could. Not. Give. a. fuck about "quality" or tactics as long as results are good.

Now, don't get me wrong, the home form is a big old worry for me and i would prefer to swap home & away records. But that is a tiny bugbear when put into the context that we have effectively just swapped places with West Ham and they are going through the shit we went through - Moyes looks very likely to be the specific reason behind that.