Beto

[Goaljira]

I think the main killer in the arguments is that when we had someone in the team who could link up better with the midfield and bring them into the games, the midfielders still weren't scoring goals.

Goals win games. Put players in behind him who can increase the number of.chances he gets[He'll need them] and he will get you goals. It's not like Jelavic where there wasn't anything really definable about his game so when his goals dried up he offered nothing. Beto is big, super quick, and doesn't mind doing the dirty work. There's not going to be a defender in the league who would be happy that they're up against him.

But because he misses chances you'd back Niasse to score he frustrates us.

It's absolutely the definition of 'He's shit. Let's sell him for £40m' and buy someone better.

I dont know what the right thing to do is.

[AllyBlue14]

As someone else said earlier, if you could swap him for someone who has better all round play and hits double figures you'd be far better off.

Also everyone seems to be saying we should keep him but he shouldn't be starting, or sell him because he's not good enough for £25m+. If he was any good people would be arguing to keep him as first choice, but the fact they aren't says everything about the situation.

It's the Beto conundrum, even those arguing for him also say they don't want him playing regularly.

Of course we'd be far better off - as we would be if we swapped him for Mbappé or Isak. But it's pie in the sky, isn't it? Quality strikers are hard to come by these days and there are more teams (and probably better teams) than Everton looking in that market.

And I don't think it does say everything about the situation. You can want to keep a player without them having to be a nailed-on starter every week. We're losing half our squad in the summer - we need players!

We'd be incredibly fortunate to sign a striker and have them play 90 mins, 38 times a season - plus cup matches - and never needing to substitute them or switch things around.

Beto has proven that he can be useful at this level. It depends who else we were to bring in, but I wouldn't be averse to him starting matches next season and/or coming on if we need something different.

[superpull]

Isn't Delap on 12 goals in 2631minutes?
And Beto is on 10 in 1640 minutes.
All comps.

A goal every 219mins v one every 164.

Now, Beto isn't going to keep up with a better than 1 in 2 ratio. And Delap is a kid who will get better.

But goals win games. Let the midfield do all the fancy football.
Let the defence keep clean sheets.
We have a striker that is scoring. Until it goes all Jelavic - keep on keeping on.

[AjaxAndy]

Of course we'd be far better off - as we would be if we swapped him for Mbappé or Isak. But it's pie in the sky, isn't it? Quality strikers are hard to come by these days and there are more teams (and probably better teams) than Everton looking in that market.

And I don't think it does say everything about the situation. You can want to keep a player without them having to be a nailed-on starter every week. We're losing half our squad in the summer - we need players!

We'd be incredibly fortunate to sign a striker and have them play 90 mins, 38 times a season - plus cup matches - and never needing to substitute them or switch things around.

Beto has proven that he can be useful at this level. It depends who else we were to bring in, but I wouldn't be averse to him starting matches next season and/or coming on if we need something different.

I don't think it's pie in the sky to ask for a striker who'll score 10+ a season with reasonable hold up play. It's not anywhere near comparable to wanting an Isak or Mbappe.

We just need to be smart with our business, there are players out there who can do this who won't cost a bomb, we just need to find them.

Even if we kept Beto it's what we need for the starting striker so not sure there's any argument against that tbh.

[777Kidnappings]

I'd be confident better gets 15 goals next season as our starting striker in hopefully a much better team

Yeah he's not a great watch a lot of the time but surely that improves if we replace the likes of Harrison, doucoure and garner which much better footballers

Selling beto relatively cheap to take a punt elsewhere on someone who might not get the goals seems like a big risk to me.

[Gary1878]

His hold up play has absolutely improved over the course of the season. Yesterday was case in point for the third goal.

Beto held the ball up well and laid off the ball nicely. He then immediately made a great off the ball run and put a shot on target from a fair distance out. That’s all round great striking play.

He’s scored goals, has improved as a player throughout the last 4 months and has a great attitude. No reason why he wouldn’t compete next season for a starting spot, but we do need another body to come in next season if DCL moves on.

[AllyBlue14]

I don't think it's pie in the sky to ask for a striker who'll score 10+ a season with reasonable hold up play. It's not anywhere near comparable to wanting an Isak or Mbappe.

We just need to be smart with our business, there are players out there who can do this who won't cost a bomb, we just need to find them.

Even if we kept Beto it's what we need for the starting striker so not sure there's any argument against that tbh.

It's the "we just need to find them" that makes it pie in the sky. There isn't just a '10+ goals plus reasonable hold-up play' striker tree that we can just pluck.

There are 22 players who have scored 10+ goals in the PL this season and only around half of them are what you would consider out-and-out strikers. So, call it 11 strikers who have the requisite goal tally, and maybe only 7 or 8 of those would have the requisite hold-up play.

(I mean, this also feeds into the various discussions I've been having with people online about VVD not being the PL's greatest ever defender).

So, firstly, that shows there aren't many of those strikers around the league at the moment - which would suggest, secondly, that we won't be alone in our pursuit of one this summer.

Beto has scored 8 league goals in pretty much half a season. No-one is saying he's the second-coming of Pelé, but he's been a big part of our upturn in form and has the heart of a lion.

While there are obviously better footballers out there, they're not easy to come by (for a club in our current position) and I wouldn't be so quick to get rid one of our very few sources of goals.

[AndSeel]

Hes sound Beto. If we cant find better in the summer, wouldn't be upset if hes starting for us next season.

[AjaxAndy]

It's the "we just need to find them" that makes it pie in the sky. There isn't just a '10+ goals plus reasonable hold-up play' striker tree that we can just pluck.

There are 22 players who have scored 10+ goals in the PL this season and only around half of them are what you would consider out-and-out strikers. So, call it 11 strikers who have the requisite goal tally, and maybe only 7 or 8 of those would have the requisite hold-up play.

(I mean, this also feeds into the various discussions I've been having with people online about VVD not being the PL's greatest ever defender).

So, firstly, that shows there aren't many of those strikers around the league at the moment - which would suggest, secondly, that we won't be alone in our pursuit of one this summer.

Beto has scored 8 league goals in pretty much half a season. No-one is saying he's the second-coming of Pelé, but he's been a big part of our upturn in form and has the heart of a lion.

While there are obviously better footballers out there, they're not easy to come by (for a club in our current position) and I wouldn't be so quick to get rid one of our very few sources of goals.

Wood - 19 goals / £15m
Mateta - 14 goals / £9m
Strand Larson - 13 goals / Loan / £27m option
Delap - 12 goals / £15m
Jimenez - 11 goals / £5m
Jackson - 10 goals / £32m
Welbeck - 10 goals / free transfer
Evanilson - 10 goals / £32m

That's everyone I'd class as an out and out striker who has 10+ goals this season in the league outside of Haaland and Isak.

That's 8 players.

I'm not saying I'd want them all, some wouldn't probably come to us too. However it shows there's plenty of players out there who can score 10+ in this league with far superior overall ability.

5 of those 8 cost substantially less than we paid for Beto too showing there's value out there,

Not sure why we simultaneously want to move forward as a club and replace players like Doucoure and Garner because of their poor overall ability but keep someone who is equally as poor technically, but regardless (and that's a debate I can't be arsed rehashing) there's enough evidence imo in that list to show we should be confident of finding a 10+ goal a season striker with solid overall ability through semi competent recruitment.

[NickNack]

I know Beto isn’t great on the ball but in fairness he has improved and has only been starting regularly since Moyes arrived. Most of the players named above have started close to 30 games or more to get their goals, Beto has started 13 - playing regularly does make a difference.

[AllyBlue14]

Wood - 19 goals / £15m
Mateta - 14 goals / £9m
Strand Larson - 13 goals / Loan / £27m option
Delap - 12 goals / £15m
Jimenez - 11 goals / £5m
Jackson - 10 goals / £32m
Welbeck - 10 goals / free transfer
Evanilson - 10 goals / £32m

That's everyone I'd class as an out and out striker who has 10+ goals this season in the league outside of Haaland and Isak.

That's 8 players.

I'm not saying I'd want them all, some wouldn't probably come to us too. However it shows there's plenty of players out there who can score 10+ in this league with far superior overall ability.

5 of those 8 cost substantially less than we paid for Beto too showing there's value out there,

Not sure why we simultaneously want to move forward as a club and replace players like Doucoure and Garner because of their poor overall ability but keep someone who is equally as poor technically, but regardless (and that's a debate I can't be arsed rehashing) there's enough evidence imo in that list to show we should be confident of finding a 10+ goal a season striker with solid overall ability through semi competent recruitment.

People are happy to keep Beto because he scores goals! Simple as that.

Looking at that list - even including Isak and Haaland - it shows only half the league have a 10+ striker. If they're so easy to come by, why doesn't everyone else have one? Who are these players that are so definitely out there, available and willing to come to Everton?

I remember saying when Lukaku left that we didn't necessarily have to find one striker to replace his goals, it could be spread across the team. But there are so few goals in this team as it is, that losing our most consistent supply would put us at even more of a disadvantage.

Plus, we need a squad!! I just find it crazy to not even want to have him around as an option off the bench, at the very least. DCL could be going (love him but he isn't the best finisher and has fitness issues), Chermiti has never scored for us (needs a loan) and neither has Broja (who has to go). Like it or not, striker-wise, Beto is the least of our problems. There are plenty of players we'd like to move on from, but some of them are going to have to play for us next season.

We can keep going round in circles, your mind is obviously made up. And, as I've said, I think we should try to keep both DCL (if the deal is right) and Beto, so there's no either/or for me.

[PoD1878]

Hasn’t it taken Welbeck 17 years to hit double figures.
Mateta has done it twice in 6 seasons, took him until his 3rd season to do so.

Jimenez has hit double this year for the first time since 2019/2020 season.

The other cost £15m+

It rather shows it’s not that easy to find a double digit scorer.

[AjaxAndy]

Hasn’t it taken Welbeck 17 years to hit double figures.
Mateta has done it twice in 6 seasons, took him until his 3rd season to do so.

Jimenez has hit double this year for the first time since 2019/2020 season.

The other cost £15m+

It rather shows it’s not that easy to find a double digit scorer.

I'm just basing it off this season though, and understand your argument... But add in Isak and Haaland and 50% of the league have a striker who hit double figures with basic hold up play. You're at a disadvantage if you don't have that and it's something we need to address.

Even just off summer transfers last season Ipswich and Wolves managed it for low outlay. Are we that unambitious we don't think we should be aiming for the same?

This isn't even really a Beto argument, it's about what standards we expect going in to the new season, and for me it's a non negotiable that we find a more overall capable striker to lead the line.

Beto or DCL as sub is neither here nor there really, my only preference comes from the business side of being able to sell Beto and reinvest Vs DCL staying costing us nothing.

[TheRam]

Goals to minutes he’s better than one in two this season.

At that point you have to start considering taking the rough with the smooth. Feels like moyes might be thinking the same from his comments yesterday.

He’s proved himself infront of goal. Even the chances he’s missed, he’s hit the target and got his shots off when someone like DCL would struggle to do even that.

Unless we can get close to our money back he stays for me. Too quick, too strong and too good infront of goal with his movement and finishing to just disregard now.

[Bob Sacamano]

I’d LOVE an upgrade but I’d 100% prefer to improve the players around him. The squad is absolutely dire and needs sorting before we replace a 10+ goals striker.