777 Partners Takeover

[Escla]

Think this Usmanov conspiracy theory has taken on a life of its own, personally, reckon it’s bollocks.

[Gary1878]

Think this Usmanov conspiracy theory has taken on a life of its own, personally, reckon it’s bollocks.

I hope you’re right.

The reason it has taken off is because no situation is seemingly impossible with the way that the club has operated over the past 7 years.

[TheRam]

I’m all in on it.

While thing is one big money laundering scheme imho.

[Escla]

I’m all in on it.

While thing is one big money laundering scheme imho.

But think about it, if Billionaire Usmanov were behind 777 surely they would not be in such dire financial straights ? they would be able to have repaid the £180 million loan, paid the wages at standard Liege, kept the airline operating and kept clear of all the other charges.

[Toffee1]

If Moshiri had a brain these supposed meetings should be very simple and he should be telling them where to go and then get someone who actually has money to get rid of him out of the club, However. he hasn't got a brain.

[Escla]

But people are saying 777 have Usmanovs money, doesn’t make sense .

[Audrey Horne]

Just fuckimng batter them if they are at goodison on saturday

[superpull]

Couple of things:

- nobody is actually saying 777 have "Usmanov's" money. At all. For one reason , his assets have been sanctioned so, on the international stage, he doesn't have any money (which coincides nicely with 777 buying clubs left, right and centre and then coming unstuck doesn't it?).
- 777's ownership model is in the public domain and nobody is seriously suggesting Usmanov owns it in anyway.

What *is* being suggested is:

- 777's entire operating model is via channels of debt/funding. Multi-stranded and spiralling in and out of itself in a manner that is pretty opaque. Not unusual. But easy enough for there to be a channel in which "friendships" are formed with individuals/companies that have offered funding in the past/future to have the strategic ear of those setting strategy within 777 or whoever.
- Said people are not necessarily Usmanov. But no man is an island. Entirely feasible somebody who has close business ties to the oligarch world has close ties to the funding channels of 777.


Nobody (well, not me at least) is alleging anything outright illegal (although it looks like the authorities are alleging illegality throughout the organisation). But much like Usmanov wasn't the agents whispering in Moshiri's ear on who to buy and muh like Usmanov wasn't the owner of Everton - at the end of the day he was basically both of these things.

[TheRam]

But think about it, if Billionaire Usmanov were behind 777 surely they would not be in such dire financial straights ? they would be able to have repaid the £180 million loan, paid the wages at standard Liege, kept the airline operating and kept clear of all the other charges.

Why would he put money into things that aren’t of his concern?

He’s put a lot of money into the club and is at risk of losing it and can’t put any more in due to sanctions.

Funnelling stuff into dodgy insurance companies with offshore accounts is what these people do. They’ll be a whole network of people and companies Usmanov could still find a way to funnel money through

Moshiri is supposedly desperate to sell. Are these really the only viable group for us? Why is he so committed to an obvious Ponzi scheme?

None of it makes sense if you look at it in a black and white view so you have to conclude something else is going on that we don’t know about.

[Escla]

See your point

[Trowel]

And don't forget the ultimate objective of money laundering is to extract ANY money as clean money, so even getting paid pennies in the pound would be a success.

(if hypothetically speaking this were a giant money laundering exercise... )

[Gary1878]

Why would he put money into things that aren’t of his concern?

He’s put a lot of money into the club and is at risk of losing it and can’t put any more in due to sanctions.

Funnelling stuff into dodgy insurance companies with offshore accounts is what these people do. They’ll be a whole network of people and companies Usmanov could still find a way to funnel money through

Moshiri is supposedly desperate to sell. Are these really the only viable group for us? Why is he so committed to an obvious Ponzi scheme?

None of it makes sense if you look at it in a black and white view so you have to conclude something else is going on that we don’t know about.

The thing is, that banks have to be involved in the process, and so getting those kind of sums of money into the system and then moving around without source of wealth/funds etc, alongside Russian sanctions is very tricky.

Now, if there are structures that he has visibility of, which he is not the ultimate beneficiary, and where sanctions aren’t present, then he could be good to go. Could be some form of trust or company etc. Could be skating around the rules that way.

[superpull]

and, of course, he may have absolutely zero to do with it or anybody involved in it.

The problem we have is the old "lie down with dogs, get fleas" adage. We're owned by crooks, so we are seeing criminality everywhere.

[Phillyt]

Think this Usmanov conspiracy theory has taken on a life of its own, personally, reckon it’s bollocks.

It’s not true and there are a couple clear as day pointers.
-he wouldn’t have used a US company to do it he would have used a group from a more Russia friendly country.
-if it’s moshiris money it would have been easier to complete the transaction and then buy the club back when the sanctions are eventually lifted or sell to mega buyer when BM is done then just collect his money at the other end.

It’s just a stupid risk for him to take.

The easiest way to do it would be to feed it through an Iranian friend of moshiri’s and for them to link up.

[Toffee1]