Liverpool being bellends

[TheRam]

Who are you even talking about? I live up here, pretty much everyone I know is a Geordie or plastic Geordie. But it's good you can speak on their behalf, I'm sure they'll appreciate it

Most Newcastle fans have a very uneasy relationship with PIF owning them, but they understand there's not much they can do about it and don't want to give up their season ticket and end up at the back of a 10 year waiting list to get it back. They all just want to go and support the team they've always supported, as their dad's did and their grandparents.

Not speaking on anyone’s behalf.

Just calling it as I see it.

[Cereal Killer]

Meh

Their supporters are no different from ours. We aren’t any better than them. We’d do the same

There’s part of their fan base that is dead against the owners as I imagine a part of ours would be. There’s also a large element that don’t give a shit, same as ours if we were winning trophies

[Cods]

Germanys 50+1 ownership rule is something missed in England. A better way to run a competiton.

[AjaxAndy]

Meh

Their supporters are no different from ours. We aren’t any better than them. We’d do the same

There’s part of their fan base that is dead against the owners as I imagine a part of ours would be. There’s also a large element that don’t give a shit, same as ours if we were winning trophies

I don't even think it's not giving a shit tbh, they just want to keep their football to what's on the pitch and not get caught up in the politics that they don't have any say in or control over.

Every Toon supporter I know would happily swap them for someone else if they were promising to build a £1bn stadium debt free and build them a team capable of winning trophies, but that's not what's going to happen and not something they'd have a say in anyway.

Also who can really criticise, it seems a case of everyone in the glass house is throwing stones it's just people accept rocks flying about but not those chucking bricks.

[AjaxAndy]

Not speaking on anyone’s behalf.

Just calling it as I see it.

Ok well you see it how you want to, but it's not particularly accurate.

[TheRam]

Ok well you see it how you want to, but it's not particularly accurate.

Which part isn’t accurate?

[Shogun]

I don't even think it's not giving a shit tbh, they just want to keep their football to what's on the pitch and not get caught up in the politics that they don't have any say in or control over.

That wasn't the case when they were up in arms over Mike Ashley's zero contract hours though? They went in on his Sport Direct dealings and peddled the narrative that he was a horrific human being (true) who shouldn't own their club (true)

If they wanted to protest the Saudis, they would. They simply don't care because they're winning, sportswashing at its best.

[Audrey Horne]

I dont think Ram is saying this is isolated to Newcastle fans?

Just that in general, football fans have been taken in by sportswashing and it is absolutely awful.

Not sure why people are being so defensive about this?

[Bob Sacamano]

It has absolutely worked because, for the most part, we’re shallow and tribal enough to not care as long as we can have bragging rights over other football fans.

[TheRam]

I dont think Ram is saying this is isolated to Newcastle fans?

Just that in general, football fans have been taken in by sportswashing and it is absolutely awful.

Not sure why people are being so defensive about this?

Exactly, our fans would do the same and i wouldn’t agree with it, I didn’t with Usmanov.

The working class people just want to enjoy the game is such a strange line to take when our game is being taken away from us piece by piece.

Let’s see how happy Newcastle fans our when their fans are pushed aside for tourists, they’re taken out the premier league for a super league, they start playing league games in Saudi Arabia.

Is a league cup really worth your football club becoming nothing but a billboard for an oppressive regime?

I’ve seen absolutely nothing from them to think they’re in anyway questioning this.

There’s been no protests, their local journalists have become very defensive, they were massive celebrations outside the ground when the takeover happened, they actively celebrate and defend the ownership.

I feel for them if anything as they have their heads buried in the sand when it comes to what’s going to happen to their club.

[AjaxAndy]

I dont think Ram is saying this is isolated to Newcastle fans?

Just that in general, football fans have been taken in by sportswashing and it is absolutely awful.

Not sure why people are being so defensive about this?

His whole argument was in response to me saying the fans are absolutely buzzing about winning something finally.

Sports washing, Saudi regime etc is a valid argument, that's not what he was making though, it was how it's not some fairytale and their fans all love their middle easter overlords.

All these things are true but they're all separate arguments... The every day fan who pays their money for some escapism from the world shouldn't be vilified for celebrating their team winning something after over half a century without success.

The anger about football club ownership should be directed at those who make the decisions not the fans... The fans should never be the focus of ire for things they have no control over.

[AjaxAndy]

Which part isn’t accurate?

The bit where you spoke on behalf of all their supporters and the people of the region. I know as many Geordies / people who support Newcastle as you do Scousers, yet very very few I've spoken to have anything positive to say about their owners, they begrudgingly accept them because they have no say in the matter. You seem to think you know more on this matter for some strange reason.

I'm not denying your argument about sports washing, the destruction of the English game, super leagues etc etc, I'm just saying leave the fans out of the argument because they like us weren't consulted and had no say in who bought their club.

[TheRam]

The bit where you spoke on behalf of all their supporters and the people of the region. I know as many Geordies / people who support Newcastle as you do Scousers, yet very very few I've spoken to have anything positive to say about their owners, they begrudgingly accept them because they have no say in the matter. You seem to think you know more on this matter for some strange reason.

I'm not denying your argument about sports washing, the destruction of the English game, super leagues etc etc, I'm just saying leave the fans out of the argument because they like us weren't consulted and had no say in who bought their club.

I have not spoken on behalf of anyone.

It’s 2025, you don’t need to actively live in a city to understand how a fanbase feels about something.

I’ve seen in on social media, I’ve seen the articles from people like Luke edwards essentially becoming a mouthpiece for the Saudis, I saw the celebrations, I’ve seen the reaction towards the only fan group to speak out about this.

I personally believe fans needs to stand up to this more otherwise our game will be completely gone if we don’t.

The Saudis don’t want to separate the sport from the politics so why should we.

You want other football fans to be happy for them. Why?

A lot of football fans have seen their club overtaken by a team owned by the richest country in the world. Why would we be happy for them?

You said this is so much better than the established elite winning a trophy. Newcastle are the established elite. They’re the richest club in the world.

None of this is good for the game as a whole in the country and long term it won’t be good for Newcastle as a club.

[AjaxAndy]

I have not spoken on behalf of anyone.

It’s 2025, you don’t need to actively live in a city to understand how a fanbase feels about something.

I’ve seen in on social media, I’ve seen the articles from people like Luke edwards essentially becoming a mouthpiece for the Saudis, I saw the celebrations, I’ve seen the reaction towards the only fan group to speak out about this.

I personally believe fans needs to stand up to this more otherwise our game will be completely gone if we don’t.

The Saudis don’t want to separate the sport from the politics so why should we.

You want other football fans to be happy for them. Why?

A lot of football fans have seen their club overtaken by a team owned by the richest country in the world. Why would we be happy for them?

You said this is so much better than the established elite winning a trophy. Newcastle are the established elite. They’re the richest club in the world.

None of this is good for the game as a whole in the country and long term it won’t be good for Newcastle as a club.

Honestly you think you understand Newcastle supporters because of stuff you've seen online FFS. I literally am surrounded by normal every day Newcastle fans, your take on them is about as accurate as someone up here would be with ours, just very very based on a slanted viewpoint from what is shown online. In reality it probably makes up less than 10% of the actual fanbase and their views. But Ram knows best for course.

I'm not even asking you to be happy for them, my point was how much it meant to the fans, and there's no denying that. I'd rather a team win where it brings genuine joy to the supporters than seeing someone like Liverpool win when they think the trophy is third rate. You might not want them to win because of their ownership which is perfectly fine, but also supporters don't choose owners so for those who've followed their team through dark times then I'm not going deny them their joy, especially when I see it here in person, I see it in my son's face, his mate's, the kids walking to school in their kits... I'm happy for those people.

We're talking definition with 'established elite', money wise yes, regular glory no. Maybe things will change but PSR will always try prevent Newcastle joining what I'd term the established elite, but again my definition is different to yours, I can't be arsed splitting hairs over that tbh.

Anyway that's my final post on this to save another endless back and forth. I'll continue to simultaneously enjoy seeing the pure joy on my kid's face, his mate's and will enjoy listening to the dads from my son's football team regaling me with their stories of being at Wembley when I see them on Friday, whilst also believing Saudi or any state with human rights issues, or any owner with a criminal or oligarchy past has no place in our football clubs.

[TheRam]

Honestly you think you understand Newcastle supporters because of stuff you've seen online FFS. I literally am surrounded by normal every day Newcastle fans, your take on them is about as accurate as someone up here would be with ours, just very very based on a slanted viewpoint from what is shown online. In reality it probably makes up less than 10% of the actual fanbase and their views. But Ram knows best for course.

I'm not even asking you to be happy for them, my point was how much it meant to the fans, and there's no denying that. I'd rather a team win where it brings genuine joy to the supporters than seeing someone like Liverpool win when they think the trophy is third rate. You might not want them to win because of their ownership which is perfectly fine, but also supporters don't choose owners so for those who've followed their team through dark times then I'm not going deny them their joy, especially when I see it here in person, I see it in my son's face, his mate's, the kids walking to school in their kits... I'm happy for those people.

We're talking definition with 'established elite', money wise yes, regular glory no. Maybe things will change but PSR will always try prevent Newcastle joining what I'd term the established elite, but again my definition is different to yours, I can't be arsed splitting hairs over that tbh.

Anyway that's my final post on this to save another endless back and forth. I'll continue to simultaneously enjoy seeing the pure joy on my kid's face, his mate's and will enjoy listening to the dads from my son's football team regaling me with their stories of being at Wembley when I see them on Friday, whilst also believing Saudi or any state with human rights issues, or any owner with a criminal or oligarchy past has no place in our football clubs.

There’s no real need to get so defensive mate.

I think what I’ve seen in the general media is a fair representation of their fanbase.

As I say, ours would be the same, and it speaks toward a wider point of football fans in the country in general.

I can’t be happy in any way for them. Sorry.

Time will prove me right, I’m confident in that.