Thierno Barry

[kramer]

Don’t see how he could possibly stay from here given the stuff with the fans post-Arsenal and his highly variable work rate.

Just make sure he’s sold out to someone outside of the PL. I think there’s a solid 15 goal a season target man in there, don’t want a rival finding it.

Moyes wants a relentless workhorse to run the channels and set the press anyway. Intent behind the signing was good, adaptation to the side didn’t go as planned. It happens.

[Bluedylan1]

Moyes' comments on Barry -

Asked for his thoughts on the forward’s progress Moyes, who is expected to review his striking options in the summer, said: “I am saying a general thing here, and it is that football supporters are not having much patience with many things. You might not get two or three years to become that player.

“There is a bigger emphasis on: We need things now, we are looking for that to happen quickly. It is not just here at Everton. I think all clubs are the same. He is young as well, first year in the country, at the moment we have four games to go and if he scores a couple of goals you might say it has not been the worst return for a young centre-forward.”

Moyes added: “There are a lot of clubs who have paid a lot of money for centre forwards and you wouldn’t say that has been worth it. We took a chance on a young up and coming striker, we tried to get him in quickly and early to see how he was going. He has not done bad. I actually think he is improving as he is going along. The first season in the Premier League, it is not that easy.”

[Gash]

He's right about people and not having patience anymore and it's a wider problem than just football. We live in an instant world now where everything is available on your phone, people get bored with a reel after 20 seconds and move onto the next one and Tiktok has 30 second soap operas. Not a chance we're giving a young player 18 months to find his feet.

[AjaxAndy]

He's right about people and not having patience anymore and it's a wider problem than just football. We live in an instant world now where everything is available on your phone, people get bored with a reel after 20 seconds and move onto the next one and Tiktok has 30 second soap operas. Not a chance we're giving a young player 18 months to find his feet.

Yep it's exactly why I'd sell Beto and keep Barry, one you know what you're going to get, what their ceiling is, and the other you don't.

Might not come good but we also know Beto ain't it and never will be, despite the odd purple patch of form.

Obvious caveat is that we bring in a first choice striker, someone to lead the line now whilst we try and develop Barry in to being a premier league standard.

[Shogun]

Turns 24 this year btw. At what point in football are you no longer a youngster? If he was 20-21 then I'd be more inclined to agree with the not knowing his ceiling shouts. I think we're seeing his ceiling every week.

Although I guess he did score 11 goals in a Villarreal season where his teammate Ayoze Perez scored 19.

[Bluedylan1]

Turns 24 this year btw. At what point in football are you no longer a youngster? If he was 20-21 then I'd be more inclined to agree with the not knowing his ceiling shouts. I think we're seeing his ceiling every week.

Although I guess he did score 11 goals in a Villarreal season where his teammate Ayoze Perez scored 19.

I guess the ''first year in a new league'' bit is more relevant than the ''youngster'' thing, in terms of possibly affording him some patience.

[AjaxAndy]

Turns 24 this year btw. At what point in football are you no longer a youngster? If he was 20-21 then I'd be more inclined to agree with the not knowing his ceiling shouts. I think we're seeing his ceiling every week.

Although I guess he did score 11 goals in a Villarreal season where his teammate Ayoze Perez scored 19.

It's not just about age, it's about allowing a period of adapting to a more physical and faster league. Lots of foreign players have taken 12-18 months to adapt.

It doesn't really matter if he's 25 by the time he starts to shine, it's still young enough to have plenty of years in the team or to sell for a large profit if he shines.

[777Kidnappings]

First point is hes really not getting better as the season has gone on. Hes currently as poor as hes ever been.

Also I think its a bit of a cheek to suggest we want everything now. We want something now. Thats not really about barry or dibling or anyone else its about having to fill the gaping holes with something for now as well as later. Its criminal to sign a striker significantly worse than beto when they are our only options. Its criminal to sign a 4th choice winger for a massive fee. Its criminal to still be waiting for a right back. Also theres not a lot of belief that everton get things right so its not just that we dont want to wait.

Also id be horrified if we sold beto and only added 1 striker. Barry should either be third choice next season or not here

[sam of the south]

If he is staying, then he needs to spend the summer in the weights room.

He has a good leap on him, decent first touch and he has shown that given a sight of goal he is a good finisher. What he lacks is any strength to win the ball or protect it so he looks for too many first time flick on's. He also lacks any natural agression.

He needs to bulk up a couple of stone and learn how to use it and grow up a bit, show a bit of heart. You look at how DCL bulked up and how that improved him. I'd have him wrestling with Tarks for sessions on end, trying to protect the ball from him.

Wax on wax off..learn the hard way.

Not sure he’ll ever be that player, though, despite the frame he has which could be a potentially great canvas for a fair amount of new, functional muscle (I’d love to work with him)

[Gash]

I'm not sure it's even an age or new league thing, his attitude and maturity has come across as questionable at times, culminating in the whole Arsenal saga plus he's dropped in a couple of really poor perfomances since then, prove the fans wrong, don't give them more to moan about. Add to that sulking whenever he gets subbed and that game where he sat with his shirt over his head for the rest of the game all just comes across that he's quite hard work. I think it's going to be very hard for him to get the fans back onside if he stays beyond the summer.

[Bluedylan1]

First point is hes really not getting better as the season has gone on. Hes currently as poor as hes ever been.

Also I think its a bit of a cheek to suggest we want everything now. We want something now. Thats not really about barry or dibling or anyone else its about having to fill the gaping holes with something for now as well as later. Its criminal to sign a striker significantly worse than beto when they are our only options. Its criminal to sign a 4th choice winger for a massive fee. Its criminal to still be waiting for a right back. Also theres not a lot of belief that everton get things right so its not just that we dont want to wait.

Also id be horrified if we sold beto and only added 1 striker. Barry should either be third choice next season or not here

You get really worked up about this stuff don't you? Like you seem to take any decision made by the club that you disagree with as a personal affront. It's a weird energy to have. And you're incredibly certain that you're right about the opinions you hold. Doesn't seem to be much room for doubt in there.

[StirlingBlue]

In a weird way Barry’s biggest problem is Beto.

His introduction to the premier league should have been as back up to an established striker, but since we weren’t happy with Beto we wanted to see it as Barry being our new starting ST.

Of course from there his immaturity hasn’t helped him, he definitely shouldn’t be engaging with fans on social media. He’s also clearly got that sort of “I’m so cool I don’t have to try” attitude which can look good when you’re smashing it but looks silly when you’re struggling

[Cereal Killer]

You get really worked up about this stuff don't you? Like you seem to take any decision made by the club that you disagree with as a personal affront. It's a weird energy to have. And you're incredibly certain that you're right about the opinions you hold. Doesn't seem to be much room for doubt in there.

“I don’t want everything now, but I do want a top draw striker, winger and right back”

[Blueomar]

more running, less jogging/walking, please.

[777Kidnappings]

You get really worked up about this stuff don't you? Like you seem to take any decision made by the club that you disagree with as a personal affront. It's a weird energy to have. And you're incredibly certain that you're right about the opinions you hold. Doesn't seem to be much room for doubt in there.

Haha no not at all. Maybe a little frustration about our refusal to be competent but nowt more than that. We haven't made too many good decision these last 10 years