AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:25 pm
Exactly, you're asking for a unicorn... An experienced high quality specialised set piece coach who is currently available. It doesn't exist.
Would this be such an issue if we'd employed someone with exactly the same CV who Moyes didn't know and hadn't played for Liverpool?
I didn’t ask for that. Just a different approach than the manager getting his mate in because he could take a good set piece.
And no, him having one season at liverpool has no impact on my opinion.
I don't really care who it is, as long as we see results on the pitch. This isn't the same as Benitez and Lee coming in, it's just a set piece coach who happens to have played for them lot.
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:09 pm
Brentford's set piece coach was formerly a banker... Not sure how that qualifies him to do the role but by all accounts he's very good at it:
'In 2015, Brentford was playing in the Championship, not long removed from League Two, when the club hired Vio to only handle set pieces. A former banker, Vio had written a treatise on them for his UEFA coaching badges. Putting even a little forethought into free kicks and corners, he wrote, would be the equivalent of adding a 15-goal striker. "The difference is," he says now, "that striker can be injured or suspended."'
The bit about the specific study he did for his UEFA coaching badges suggests he's qualified, rather than his previous job.
Perhaps Adam will be fine in the role, but there's just nothing from his previous jobs that suggests it other than his general UEFA coaching qualifications, and the quote from Moyes suggests nothing specific also: "He will be helping with set-piece situations, an area he excelled in as a player and one I believe he can really help us with now as a coach."
I'm sure if there is anything relevant or a particular talent for the role it will come out in the months to come. But it remains an odd appointment with that info.
Trowel wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:35 pm
The bit about the specific study he did for his UEFA coaching badges suggests he's qualified, rather than his previous job.
Perhaps Adam will be fine in the role, but there's just nothing from his previous jobs that suggests it other than his general UEFA coaching qualifications, and the quote from Moyes suggests nothing specific also: "He will be helping with set-piece situations, an area he excelled in as a player and one I believe he can really help us with now as a coach."
I'm sure if there is anything relevant or a particular talent for the role it will come out in the months to come. But it remains an odd appointment with that info.
Yes sure but my point was he'd never been known for anything in football but clearly is very competent in his role.
Adam at least has plenty of playing experience, is a renowned set piece specialist and has his coaching badges. There isn't a coaching badge to become a set piece coach, not yet anyway, so no one is actually qualified to do the role, they've all been something else and ended up as one. Hopefully Adam will be good because he knows about set pieces and he's able to relay that information across well because he's done his coaching badges.
Might be shit, might be amazing, might be somewhere in-between, we'll just have to wait and see. There's not a huge pool to choose from for the role so hopefully he brings something positive to the table.
The fucking negativity that has taken over this thread is depressing, if only people would see how things work out before condemning the appointment, don’t think Moyes would make an appointment unless he believed that it was a useful addition to his coaching staff, he’s not trying to lose his job ! Can’t wait for the “useless Kopite shite” shouts if the first free kick hits the wall and a corner goes out of play.
superpull wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:42 pm
For years people defended us buying players by saying they were incrementally better than nothing/an existing player.
"better than nothing" is not always good.
He's on a short term deal. Not 30m and 100k a week which was the problem when it came to the players
I honestly think if he was an unknown that didn't look like he does (which weirdly is just like the guy at the tip who tells me which container to put stuff in...) we wouldn't be worrying as much.
I guess it feels like a 'give my mate a job' appointment, but I don't think Moyes is the type to hire someone who isn't capable of contributing and making us better at something he wants to improve.
Escalator wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:12 pm
The fucking negativity that has taken over this thread is depressing, if only people would see how things work out before condemning the appointment, don’t think Moyes would make an appointment unless he believed that it was a useful addition to his coaching staff, he’s not trying to lose his job ! Can’t wait for the “useless Kopite shite” shouts if the first free kick hits the wall and a corner goes out of play.
My point is not contingent on the outcome of this move, it's difficult for me to understand that anyone has read what I've said and not grasped this?
brap2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:25 pm
My point is not contingent on the outcome of this move, it's difficult for me to understand that anyone has read what I've said and not grasped this?
My post had nothing to do with what you had post, was not in response.
Literally none of us have any idea if he's any good, and qualifications (or the lack of them), whether someone is on good terms with their would-be boss, or how good someone was taking set-pieces 10 years ago are all incredibly poor predictors of actual performance.
brap2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:43 pm
Because stumbling onto success isn't a strategy for long term success.
If I found £100 in the blob shop bogs I wouldn't quit my job and go there every day.
It's nice and I can appreciate it, but hiring the managers mates for a coaching role while clubs around us are hiring experts is not what I want everton to be doing, even if on this occasion it worked out.
Couldn't it be both, knows hes the best man for the job and happens to have a working relationship.
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:25 pm
Exactly, you're asking for a unicorn... An experienced high quality specialised set piece coach who is currently available. It doesn't exist.
Would this be such an issue if we'd employed someone with exactly the same CV who Moyes didn't know and hadn't played for Liverpool?
Well no, i doubt it, because then he wouldnt be Moyes mate, which is the exact fucking reason why people are wary of it?! haha
Hiring mates and not people who are qualified. He has never done this role etc
Dont understand why you are so outraged that people can have an issue with it, or see it as same old Everton? It is following a pattern of the past.
I hope it works out amazingly well and we are banging them in every corner. But it doesnt mean I/we dont have some concerns. Not sure what the problem is.
Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:50 pm
Well no, i doubt it, because then he wouldnt be Moyes mate, which is the exact fucking reason why people are wary of it?! haha
Hiring mates and not people who are qualified. He has never done this role etc
No one is qualified though, not in terms of badges because it's not a thing. We could have tried to take someone from elsewhere but I'd imagine that's not an easy process and tbf I doubt many want to leave if they're settled. Being a set piece coach at Everton instead of Brentford probably isn't really appealing enough to move maybe a family etc to a new area.
I'd personally rather if hiring someone without a current role at another club that Moyes firstly chose someone with a history of high quality set pieces and also with coaching badges that he trusts to fit in well and so a good job than someone random without that history.
Obviously taking someone from another club with a track record would be ideal but far from easy, you're talking compensation, asking them to move area, we're not a huge draw as a club, how ambitious are these guys because it's not like they're doing anything different at another club.
