Jake O'Brien

[TheRam]

You can't just go 'Jake and Jarrad are our best defenders so play them together' without considering if they actually work well together.

If they don't then why would the manager do so?

I think JOB is a great backup to Branthwaite, but as for replacing Tarks and having no organiser or leader there... Probably not such a great idea.

He's looked very competent alongside Tarks but that doesn't automatically mean he's good enough to replace him. He's probably just a decent level premier league defender who will sign for someone like Hull or Fulham. Which lets face it, isn't the level we require if we want to be challenging the top 7.

Not everything needs to be a massive meltdown that claims the manager is shit and hates anyone who's not 30+ and a bit wank.

Get a decent amount for him, but a good right back, loan or buy a younger and more promising CB.

This harks back to the whole Moyes only wants old players to sign when our transfer strategy has largely been exactly what we all hoped and wanted pre Friedkins, but despite evidence to the contrary people still continue with the same old tropes that don't seem to have any validity to them.

And you don’t have to leap to the clubs defence on absolutely everything.

What evidence to the contrary is there that the manager doesn’t value experience over talent?

He’s been like this his whole career.

[Bumble]

No real need for the contrarian takes just for postings sake.

[AjaxAndy]

You say this like we are known for completing transfers quickly and reinvesting wisely the fact yourself and another lad liked the daft post above says it all

Rohl
Barry
KDH
George
Hackney

All look like players we've invested wisely in, with players like Johnson and Dibling also looking like they could be good signings. I think if anything it could be argued that over the past 12 months our transfer strategy has actually been pretty spot on.

Also if I were one for liking daft posts I'd be liking all of yours, the fact I rarely do probably tells you everything you need to know

[Raptor]

And you don’t have to leap to the clubs defence on absolutely everything.

What evidence to the contrary is there that the manager doesn’t value experience over talent?

He’s been like this his whole career.

This is 100% true, and why I want him gone. For Moyes to pick McNeil over the development of someone like Dibling was baffling last season, but this isnt the same.

This isnt an 18 year old thats being overlooked by Moyes, its a 25 year old thats been here for a number of years, worked under 2 managers that dont deem him to be good enough - managers who pride themselves on defensive shape and resolve. The fact he picks a 24 year old Branthwaite kinda pours water on this argument too, but the difference is, Branthwaite is very good, JOB just isnt in the same league.

I would 100% keep JOB over the likes of Keane, but we cant force people to buy other players, so if the money is right for JOB then im more than happy to see him go, and that applies to every member of the squad

[Blues Mahoney]

Unless we have a better, similar costing CB lined up then this is a mistake surely.

Saying David Moyes knows his CB's, does he? Aguerd and Kehrer spring to mind as recent examples. Not great either of them and Aguerd was well expensive.

Mavropanos was a regular starter for the West Ham team that just got relegated.

Hmmm

[Gash]

I don't really get the fume. We don't know for sure that JOB is better than Tarkowski and he's a sellable asset so if we can get £30m+ for him then it's worth moving him on rather than have him run his contract down and leave for less/nothing in the future. He's been here two seasons and not managed to move any of our defenders to make the place his own, if we weren't so short at right back he'd have played even less for us. People are making out like we're selling one of our best players.

[TheRam]

This is 100% true, and why I want him gone. For Moyes to pick McNeil over the development of someone like Dibling was baffling last season, but this isnt the same.

This isnt an 18 year old thats being overlooked by Moyes, its a 25 year old thats been here for a number of years, worked under 2 managers that dont deem him to be good enough - managers who pride themselves on defensive shape and resolve. The fact he picks a 24 year old Branthwaite kinda pours water on this argument too, but the difference is, Branthwaite is very good, JOB just isnt in the same league.

I would 100% keep JOB over the likes of Keane, but we cant force people to buy other players, so if the money is right for JOB then im more than happy to see him go, and that applies to every member of the squad

It’s just Moyes and his over cautious nature causing him problems again.

He played centre half last season, did well, but he chose to lean back on the experience of Keane and the safety blanket of having a grok at full back, instead of playing Jake in his proper position and having an actual right back at right back.

Those decisions saw us drop down the league to finish 13th.

When Keane and tarkowski were giving away goals and chances on a regular basis he should have changed it, gave Jake the chance to play in his natural position and we could be in a much better place right now defensively.

We spent £18m on a centre half who’s played five games in his proper position over two years. That’s the fault of the club and the managers who’ve failed to use him properly.

[Bumble]

Just tell him to shut up, knuckle down, he's going nowhere and wait his turn as it will come pretty soon with branthwaite's injury record and Tarks' obvious decline.

It's a distraction we don't need and the manager is in his last season so just get on with it.

[Raptor]

It’s just Moyes and his over cautious nature causing him problems again.

He played centre half last season, did well, but he chose to lean back on the experience of Keane and the safety blanket of having a grok at full back, instead of playing Jake in his proper position and having an actual right back at right back.

Those decisions saw us drop down the league to finish 13th.

When Keane and tarkowski were giving away goals and chances on a regular basis he should have changed it, gave Jake the chance to play in his natural position and we could be in a much better place right now defensively.

We spent £18m on a centre half who’s played five games in his proper position over two years. That’s the fault of the club and the managers who’ve failed to use him properly.

I'm not disagreeing in general, and you could say the same about the likes of Patterson last season too, and even Rohl, both played well in games and we had great results, then nowhere to be seen. It is his major issue and I can't wait until he's gone, but I don't see it as much with JOB.
When we first signed him I thought the fee was excessive, based on his YouTube highlights , he looked awkward and a bit like Bambi in ice, the only thing that was noticeable was he was big, which is why I thought Dyche wanted him.

[TheRam]

I'm not disagreeing in general, and you could say the same about the likes of Patterson last season too, and even Rohl, both played well in games and we had great results, then nowhere to be seen. It is his major issue and I can't wait until he's gone, but I don't see it as much with JOB.
When we first signed him I thought the fee was excessive, based on his YouTube highlights , he looked awkward and a bit like Bambi in ice, the only thing that was noticeable was he was big, which is why I thought Dyche wanted him.

One thing I’d say in agreement with this is if we think we have a great centre half you’d expect him to still perform better at right back.

Look at Lescott for example. He was brilliant at left back, then was brilliant at centre half.

I imagine if we find ourselves in the position where branthwaite has to play left back for a run of games he’d still be great there.

Jake wasn’t good at right back last season. Things like progressing the ball, and general defending still could have been better so maybe he is just not good enough but would be nice if we could have a solid opinion on that in his proper position.

[Bumble]

I'm not disagreeing in general, and you could say the same about the likes of Patterson last season too, and even Rohl, both played well in games and we had great results, then nowhere to be seen. It is his major issue and I can't wait until he's gone, but I don't see it as much with JOB.
When we first signed him I thought the fee was excessive, based on his YouTube highlights , he looked awkward and a bit like Bambi in ice, the only thing that was noticeable was he was big, which is why I thought Dyche wanted him.

To be fair to the lad he came on a lot last season with the ball at his feet.

Being asked to have the ball on a regular basis, look for give and go's and have an appreciation of another position would have helped him massively once he settled back in to centre half. It looked like a decent decision by Moyes to blood him out there and get him minutes all season.

To now not use him when we have spent a year developing him just smacks of Moyes reverting back to type and putting his favourites in at all costs.

Although he probably wants a few more quid a week too, so that might be a driver.

[Kerryblueboy]

Rohl
Barry
KDH
George
Hackney

All look like players we've invested wisely in, with players like Johnson and Dibling also looking like they could be good signings. I think if anything it could be argued that over the past 12 months our transfer strategy has actually been pretty spot on.

Also if I were one for liking daft posts I'd be liking all of yours, the fact I rarely do probably tells you everything you need to know

3 of the players on your list were here last season and didn’t get a kick same with dibling but that couldn’t possibly be all down to Moyes could it

[Raptor]

To be fair to the lad he came on a lot last season with the ball at his feet.

Being asked to have the ball on a regular basis, look for give and go's and have an appreciation of another position would have helped him massively once he settled back in to centre half. It looked like a decent decision by Moyes to blood him out there and get him minutes all season.

To now not use him when we have spent a year developing him just smacks of Moyes reverting back to type and putting his favourites in at all costs.

Although he probably wants a few more quid a week too, so that might be a driver.

It's context though that we aren't privy too. Maybe the conversation was too blood him during the season and Jake wants guarantees, or to start now? That's his prerogative, maybe he's the one forcing the move

[NickNack]

I’ve seen people on here repeatedly lose their minds when the likes of Romain Dixon and Lewis Dobbin weren’t getting minutes. Patterson was defended to the hilt for 3 years and 3 managers.

The fanbase loves a fringe player.

Lettuce not get too carried away…

[Granite]

It's context though that we aren't privy too. Maybe the conversation was too blood him during the season and Jake wants guarantees, or to start now? That's his prerogative, maybe he's the one forcing the move

As per the Boyland article in The Athletic, JoB has asked for the move, he’s not being forced out.