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It's cool. They're going to get De Ligt anyway, and he'll continue to get lots of injuries and stink the gaffe up and we'll all laugh.

united can have keane for £35m he is about their standard

Gary1878 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 4:02 pm Yes but it's not as if Utd are circling and willing to pay the £75m/£80m price tag like Arsenal were with Rice.

Utd are behaving like vultures at a car boot sale when you first arrive and when you are still taking the first things out of the boot. And then offer you 10p for your best item that should cost £10.

It's personal opinion isn't it, I think the value they offered is closer to his real value, based on ability and where he currently is, than ours. Now, fair play to us for putting this value on him and sticking to it, it's essentially a value that prices him out of the market unless someone is willing to pay way over the odds, which is probably what our intent was. Declan Rice was at the top of his game, a regular international and the valuation probably wasn't that far off for someone of his ability, but they still tried to get him cheaper

Raptor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 4:56 pm It's personal opinion isn't it, I think the value they offered is closer to his real value, based on ability and where he currently is, than ours. Now, fair play to us for putting this value on him and sticking to it, it's essentially a value that prices him out of the market unless someone is willing to pay way over the odds, which is probably what our intent was. Declan Rice was at the top of his game, a regular international and the valuation probably wasn't that far off for someone of his ability, but they still tried to get him cheaper

You don't get to buy young players at a price based on current ability

Ratcliffe announced 250 redundancies at United today, no more WFH for those that remain, no more taxis, no more meals on expenses, must be saving up for something !

Raptor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 4:56 pm It's personal opinion isn't it, I think the value they offered is closer to his real value, based on ability and where he currently is, than ours. Now, fair play to us for putting this value on him and sticking to it, it's essentially a value that prices him out of the market unless someone is willing to pay way over the odds, which is probably what our intent was. Declan Rice was at the top of his game, a regular international and the valuation probably wasn't that far off for someone of his ability, but they still tried to get him cheaper

What do you think his real value is?

cassius wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:53 pm What do you think his real value is?

It's really subjective isn't it, I'm not saying I'm right by the way, it's just my opinion.
Bottom line is his value is what another team is willing to pay, and what we'll accept, just look what Chelsea paid for Fofana, who was never worth that, but Leicester still got it. But do I think he currently warrants becoming the 6th or 7th most expensive defender, if the rumoured 70 million is our price, no I don't.
He's done well, but he's also had a fair few ropey moments, he goes down too easily imo and plays for a low block team that essentially plays into his strengths.
I don't mind our approach of pricing him out of the market as you'd hope his value will only go up, but at the moment I think 50 would be top end

You wouldn't be able to get Branthwaite for 50m on Footy Manager, FFS.

Raptor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:12 pm It's really subjective isn't it, I'm not saying I'm right by the way, it's just my opinion.
Bottom line is his value is what another team is willing to pay, and what we'll accept, just look what Chelsea paid for Fofana, who was never worth that, but Leicester still got it. But do I think he currently warrants becoming the 6th or 7th most expensive defender, if the rumoured 70 million is our price, no I don't.
He's done well, but he's also had a fair few ropey moments, he goes down too easily imo and plays for a low block team that essentially plays into his strengths.
I don't mind our approach of pricing him out of the market as you'd hope his value will only go up, but at the moment I think 50 would be top end

Well,

a) Thank Goodness you're not negotiating our transfers!

b) You pay a premium for highly-rated young players because there's a chance they could go on to be incredible and spend 10 years or whatever at your club. 50 may be towards the top end for his current level of skill but it's not just that you're buying. You're paying for their potential in the hope that - as a supposedly top club - you'll see them realise it.

The bottom line is, the selling club sets their price and if the buying club really wants the player, they'll do what they can to meet it - or negotiate a satisfactory compromise. Not spout off like entitled little bitches because they think the primary aim of Everton's transfer business should be to strengthen United.

Raptor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:12 pm It's really subjective isn't it, I'm not saying I'm right by the way, it's just my opinion.
Bottom line is his value is what another team is willing to pay, and what we'll accept, just look what Chelsea paid for Fofana, who was never worth that, but Leicester still got it. But do I think he currently warrants becoming the 6th or 7th most expensive defender, if the rumoured 70 million is our price, no I don't.
He's done well, but he's also had a fair few ropey moments, he goes down too easily imo and plays for a low block team that essentially plays into his strengths.
I don't mind our approach of pricing him out of the market as you'd hope his value will only go up, but at the moment I think 50 would be top end

You're right, it's all subjective and I totally understand where you're coming from, it's very logical. Player values aren't always that logical.

Becoming the 6th/7th highest fee for a defender is difficult to judge with inflation but it does set a bar, and Fofana, despite the Chelsea tax, is a good example.

My view is that if Branthwaite was 26 then £70m is too much. But he still has 10 years at the top level left and will only get better. I think age is what elevated Fofana's value.

For what it's worth I don't know what his value is really, but instinctively, I'd be gutted if he left for anything under £70m.

Raptor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:12 pm It's really subjective isn't it, I'm not saying I'm right by the way, it's just my opinion.
Bottom line is his value is what another team is willing to pay, and what we'll accept, just look what Chelsea paid for Fofana, who was never worth that, but Leicester still got it. But do I think he currently warrants becoming the 6th or 7th most expensive defender, if the rumoured 70 million is our price, no I don't.
He's done well, but he's also had a fair few ropey moments, he goes down too easily imo and plays for a low block team that essentially plays into his strengths.
I don't mind our approach of pricing him out of the market as you'd hope his value will only go up, but at the moment I think 50 would be top end

When you are looking to sign someone like Branthwaite, you are not just looking at how good he already is, but also how good he could potentially end up. Yes, it's absolutely 100% true that he is not yet the finished article, and there are a few little flaws in his game. However, for his age, he's very, very good indeed and just looks to be improving all the time. Centre halves tend to reach their absolute peak relatively late, so he's got all that scope for improvement. If you look at his development so far, the only logical conclusion that you can come to is that this lad is going to be a world class centre half, or at the very least extremely close to that level. For a player with such talent and so much time to continue to develop, it simply has to be an eye-watering offer.

I would love him to stay another season or two and continue his development. It would be fantastic to watch him continue to edge towards his potential, then go somewhere like a Real Madrid and fucking boss it there for another 10 years, winning league titles, Champions League medals and become a mainstay of the England team for the next few major tournaments. I really believe that he is going to be that good.

£200M and a packet of pork scratchings or fuck off.

Escla wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:17 pm Ratcliffe announced 250 redundancies at United today, no more WFH for those that remain, no more taxis, no more meals on expenses, must be saving up for something !

Yeah big shareholder bonuses

I wonder if our new owners will do something similar?

bigmanbob wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:03 am I wonder if our new owners will do something similar?

If weve got dead wood on big salaries then hope so but I somehow doubt that there is too much fat on our non playing payroll, Liverpool have the next highest number of employees at 1001.