Beto

[StirlingBlue]

At the rate we’re going we’ll be going into the second half of the season we’ll be seeing Doucouré as a false nine a la Fellaini/Cahill before too long

[blueforyou]

Take it and gamble on Ferguson from Brighton

[Paddockoldie]

I think he'd be good here... not sure why like, maybe it's anxiety we have no striker if Beto gets injured

[HANNU]

While selling beto seems mad with that he is the only fit striker but that 18m can turn into £80m+ that we can spend with ffp with amortisation

Am not saying we are going to spend that but it would massively open up options to bring players in

If we are not depending on betos fee to bring players in then I'd keep him for now

If tho selling him means we can bring in 4-5 players then it's good buisness

[Paddockoldie]

While selling beto seems mad with that he is the only fit striker but that 18m can turn into £80m+ that we can spend with ffp with amortisation

Am not saying we are going to spend that but it would massively open up options to bring players in

If we are not depending on betos fee to bring players in then I'd keep him for now

If tho selling him means we can bring in 4-5 players then it's good buisness

It would be, if we had time. Without time, we'd be throwing money like my kids in JD's. The window shuts this week doesn't it?

[Free Agent]

Feb 3rd (Monday)

[Goaljira]

that 18m can turn into £80m+ that we can spend with ffp with amortisation

But this is wrong on two counts.

1. We've not paid for Beto yet, so anything we get goes against the total cost of what we still owe, and any remainder is a negative against FFP.
2. Even if it was true, this would still mean that we'd be committing £18m every year for the next 4 years. Given we lose money every year before trading if we go along this route we'll just end up where we were before.

We need to get into the mindset of spending within our means. Not extending credit or dodgy loans. Run ourselves properly.

[StirlingBlue]

We need to get into the mindset of spending within our means. Not extending credit or dodgy loans. Run ourselves properly.

Whilst I broadly agree with this, I think you also have to consider the fact that our operating profit will be going upwards (renegotiated the loans, higher income from new stadium and sorted our wage bill).

Let’s not forget that the whole plan falls apart if we get relegated, so it’s worth spending whatever you can right now to minimise that risk

[HANNU]

But this is wrong on two counts.

1. We've not paid for Beto yet, so anything we get goes against the total cost of what we still owe, and any remainder is a negative against FFP.
2. Even if it was true, this would still mean that we'd be committing £18m every year for the next 4 years. Given we lose money every year before trading if we go along this route we'll just end up where we were before.

We need to get into the mindset of spending within our means. Not extending credit or dodgy loans. Run ourselves properly.

I hadn't considered point 1

On point 2, how do you think pretty much every transfer in world football happens, they are pretty much all spread over multiple years, are you suggesting we should only ever pay the full amount straight away?

[Goaljira]

I hadn't considered point 1

On point 2, how do you think pretty much every transfer in world football happens, they are pretty much all spread over multiple years, are you suggesting we should only ever pay the full amount straight away?

No, but you cant sell one player for X amount and then spend 5x that income anticipating making similar sales every year just to keep the payments covered. Realistically whatever the headline figure brought in is what we should be spending, so if we did get £15m for say Mykolenko as someone who's amortisation should be pretty low, then we should be looking at spending £15m, but thats including agents fees and the like so more like £12m.

[HANNU]

No, but you cant sell one player for X amount and then spend 5x that income anticipating making similar sales every year just to keep the payments covered. Realistically whatever the headline figure brought in is what we should be spending, so if we did get £15m for say Mykolenko as someone who's amortisation should be pretty low, then we should be looking at spending £15m, but thats including agents fees and the like so more like £12m.

What are we going to do in the summer then when we only have 12 players contracted to the club? If we don't sell anyone we have to bring in about 12 players on frees or loans?

Do we have to sell Branthwaite for 60m and then have to bring in about 13 players on the 60m including agent fees etc

Or more likely are we going to use amortisation to spend more than either zero or 60m?

I do get your point I just don't think it's realistic

[StirlingBlue]

That’s why the player trading model is so important, and why we’ve been fucked by bringing in players for fees who then end up running down their contract because nobody wants to buy them.

Spending more than you’ve just sold is fine if you have a track record of buying well and selling them on

[HANNU]

That’s why the player trading model is so important, and why we’ve been fucked by bringing in players for fees who then end up running down their contract because nobody wants to buy them.

Spending more than you’ve just sold is fine if you have a track record of buying well and selling them on

And moyes does have a good track record

[Cereal Killer]

And moyes does have a good track record

[HANNU]

Thank you for your enlightening contribution to the conversation