Thierno Barry

[Bluebridge]

He needs a run of games in the reserves to get some sort of confidence up, he looks an absolute million miles off it atm. Reserve games in week, bench at the weekend, if he has any kind of fire in his belly he’ll be chomping at the bit, if he’s not then we loan him out in January or next summer.
What I will say is, he looks nothing like a footballer right now.

[MayorFarnham]

No way we're loaning out someone we've paid 30mill for.

[Bluebridge]

No way we're loaning out someone we've paid 30mill for.

What’s the alternative, lose 15 million?
I’ll be very surprised if he has a meaningful career with us or any premier league team, he looks like so many that we’ve signed before. I know it’s early days, and I really hope I’m wrong. I just don’t see it happening.
And we did with Kean.
And Tosun.
Ffs we’ve signed some shite.

[Bluebridge]

And Walcott, Bolasie, Maupay, fuck, the list goes on and on.

[Cereal Killer]

It’s ok, we’re after Zirkzee in January…

[MayorFarnham]

What’s the alternative, lose 15 million?
I’ll be very surprised if he has a meaningful career with us or any premier league team, he looks like so many that we’ve signed before. I know it’s early days, and I really hope I’m wrong. I just don’t see it happening.
And we did with Kean.
And Tosun.
Ffs we’ve signed some shite.
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[MayorFarnham]

What’s the alternative, lose 15 million?
I’ll be very surprised if he has a meaningful career with us or any premier league team, he looks like so many that we’ve signed before. I know it’s early days, and I really hope I’m wrong. I just don’t see it happening.
And we did with Kean.
And Tosun.
Ffs we’ve signed some shite.

No one with the resources to cover even half his wages is going to take him off us. We're losing 15 million whatever way you look at it.

[Toddacelli]

When I say give him more time I don’t mean more time of the same supply because that is clearly going to change fuck all.

Remember when we switched how we played with Beto last season and started putting the ball in between him and the goal and letting him run at it?

That’s what we need to do with Barry - figure out the best way to play with him in order to give him chances, and then let him start to figure it out and adjust.

Constantly getting the ball pinged at him by Pickford on the halfway line with no-one else within 20 yards of him is NOT service.

Someone needs to go back to the recruitment videos, figure out in what environment he thrives and then try to replicate it. The good news is that with players like Grealish, Ndiaye and Dibling around him, they should be more than creating that environment.

I’ve said it before, but to my untrained eye he looks to be on the move starting a run much, much earlier than we ever try to play him in. Someone picks up the ball in midfield and he’s already on the turn with space him front of him, ready to go. Fifteen passes later it eventually comes to him in a static position, with back to goal and some grock in his shorts and ten men behind the ball.

We’re not playing the right football for him to be able to develop yet. Until we do we’ll see more of the same and convince ourselves he’s shit.

[Bumble]

I'll repost my comment from the Moyes thread as I think it's relevent to the discussion on Barry:

If you watch back the game yesterday it wasn't that Mateta was magically holding the ball up, it's that he wasn't under as much pressure from our CBs as they couldn't follow him as we were wary of the threat in behind of Pinot/Sarr/Munoz/Mitchell. Often Matata was receiving the ball with nobody within 5 yards.

Compare that to Barry/Beto trying to take in the ball with a defender or two touch tight on them and it's a way harder job. None of our wide options run beyond so opposition defences can just squeeze squeeze squeeze.

I guess my point is that even though Barry/Beto obviously have issues, if you drop Mateta into our lineup yesterday I don't think we look very different.

Not sure I agree with that. Mateta in our line up 100% elevates us up a notch.

[AjaxAndy]

You're taking extremes to prove your point tbh, but yep fine play some fella we're going to sell at a loss in 6 months time anyway for the sake of a few more points, start again in yhe summer.

Maybe we'll be able to afford and attract that ready now but also sub 26 year old star striker everyone on the planet wants.

Not taking the extremes at all, it's just a fact just playing young players low on confidence and struggling to adapt doesn't in the majority of cases mean they start to improve. Young players need to be nurtured and brought in at the right moments.

You can't just go 'fuck it' and throw him in for 20 games in the hope it suddenly clicks, that's not responsible, it's not fair on the player and could easily damage his long term development.

The reality is Barry is a million miles off being a premier league player at the moment, he looks completely lost and needs to be coached off the field and be given minutes when it's appropriate for his development.

It's not his fault Beto is crap and has been awful so far this season when starting, and that's not a reason to just throw Barry to the wolves by throwing the burden of being out main focal point when he's nowhere near ready.

[Cods]

Who’s this?

Barry's future self, master to his apprentice, Mateta.

30 goals in the last two seasons but against us: 42% passing accuracy, largest non-penalty xG in the match; two golden opportunities to seal the game for them and missed both.

In our minds eye we (I) want Barry to be more like Mateta, but let's not forget he too had a stinker.

[sam of the south]

Barry's future self, master to his apprentice, Mateta.

30 goals in the last two seasons but against us: 42% passing accuracy, largest non-penalty xG in the match; two golden opportunities to seal the game for them and missed both.

In our minds eye we (I) want Barry to be more like Mateta, but let's not forget he too had a stinker.

Oh I see

[liamgt]

We need to be patient, we haven't bought a 20 goal a season striker, we've bought potential.

He needs coaching and needs to adapt to the premier league. Don't write him off yet

Last season in Spain he averaged a goal every 211 minutes, the season before in the Swiss league a goal every 265 minutes. He's only played 208 minutes so far in the premier league which as we all know is a different beast for goal scorers and he will take some time to adapt and get up to speed.

Mateta is the prime example here, was woefully poor for his first few season with Palace.

[Toddacelli]

We need to coach Barry to play in this system or we need to coach a system Barry can play in.

I know what I’d prefer because even in this system he’s not getting more than a couple of chances a game.

[StirlingBlue]

If we want the striker to be the one running beyond the line then we've got to actually make passes into that space or he's going to fail.

If we want the striker to be the hold up player then we need other players to run beyond him or the opposition backline will just squeeze up against him and he'll fail.

All of the above is true regardless of who we're playing at striker - I don't think many strikers would look good in our system and if we're honest Moyes doesn't have a great record of getting the most out of his strikers. I just looked and across his premier league career his top scoring striker has averaged 10.5 goals a season with Rooney (17) and Saha (15) being the only players to manage more than 11 goals in a season.