Shogun wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:24 pm
I remember us being in pretty much the same position. Needing a win to stay in the hunt for 4th but not likely to get 4th even if we did win.
We hadn't lost five in six in the run up to it, made a complete mess of our chance to get CL football and been gubbed by the same rivals we were laughing at in the process. It was a subdued atmosphere when we played, although I think far more has been made of this than there was of our game but that's maybe because this one is fresh in the mind.
Think he's got a point, losers mentality at the club.
I think overall with Ange he's taken Spurs from 8th to 5th, after selling Harry Kane and with Son probably a bit on the decline now. Spurs fans definitely would've taken that at the start of the season.
It's a decent first season. They made a very fast start and that probably inflated expectations, and then they've crumbled a bit in recent months. Losing Udogie was a big problem, because you have people like Emerson Royale deputising for him. He'll need to be more flexible with his tactics next season at times, and they need to buy better players in a few areas.
In terms of Ange psychologically, it's great that you want to create a winners mentality at a club that hasn't been known for that, but it's a little bit tone deaf to be calling out the fanbase for being fine with losing to stop Arsenal winning the title. It's a fundamental misreading of the room. Spurs and Arsenal properly hate each other. Like one of the most intense rivalries in the UK.
As one of my Spurs mates said ''listen, we'll cope without a year in the Champs League. We've been in that competition loads, we've been to a final, we'll probably get knocked out of it early anyway. We'll get back in it the year after, or the year after that or whenever. The idea of having Arsenal parade around the streets of London with a title win, and them being able to mock us that we gave them the title for the next 20-30 years is just unfathomable and unthinkable for us. If that hatred makes us small time, then so be it''.
And it's exactly how most fans would feel, the entire world over. Ange just needs to understand that, and accept that this was a unique situation. You can still improve the clubs mentality over time, while accepting that local rivalry is intense and different.
Audrey Horne wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 7:14 am
I like Ange, but he is coming across as a massive dickhead the last 24 hours.
I can't make my mind up about him liz
I thought he was ok at the start of the season, though i was irritated at the over hype of the start spurs made, that wasn't his fault.
However even before the run up to city game he was coming across to me as a bit arrogant and yeah a bit of a dickhead
