David Moyes

[Blues Mahoney]

Maybe we have? In my head all I can see is the constant terrible defending haha

Yeah, tbh i see why after the last few weeks, absolute horror show

[Blueomar]

New gaffer for next season, for me. Fuck this.

You may be on to something there, mate!

[brap2]

I originally thought the Moyes q was a bit of a hypothetical because there wasn’t much chance of it but…has he accidentally given The Group some questions with this end to the season?

Possibly imo.

[AndSeel]

I feel we would have heard noises by now if we were switching managers. He is probably here next year, sees out his contract and we shake hands and he goes.

[TheRam]

I’am fuming at how this season has ended.

Unforgivable.

Dreams of 5th, reality of 14th.

The back four is shockingly bad and Moyes takes the blame for persisting with it.

Not only are they terrible at defending, but we can not build any momentum with the football with those guys.

Times today where they couldn’t even control simple passes.

Pickford was losing his mind at them.

Tark, Keane, mykolenko should be nowhere near the first eleven at the start of next season but I can guarantee at least two of them will be starting the season.

[Trowel]

Just feel like Moyes is the wrong man for now and should retire or hopefully the Scotland job comes up in the summer.

It's a shame Celtic don't have more ambitious owners - this summer could be Moyes's last chance of managing them.

[Cantoffee]

I think if the right manager is available and interested he'll be at risk. He was fine 5 weeks ago but just an incredibly pathetic run of games given the opportunity.

Glasner and Iraola both potential candidates and I wouldn't be surprised if the Friedkin's had a little chat with both.

If he does survive the summer he'll have a very short leash to start next season as a result of this run.

[Fynci]

How quick we forget! He's settled things for the first time in forever. As much as we're disappointed after a lousy result, this season has been the first in a long time where we're not thinking the worst. Europe wasn't on the cards for weeks, and with our squad depth it's likely a blessing. He'll be here another season.

[Toddacelli]

I am not denying that he does a lot of things great… but he does have this glass ceiling.

Should be nicknamed The Balrog once he gets to mid-table.

[blueToffee]

I was looking at a West Ham thread on reddit about pending relegation and there was some back and forth about the rights and wrongs of letting Moyes go.

It was a fairly level headed back and forth but one comment did stick out on the recruitment:

"By the time he was sacked we had one of the oldest starting squads in the league. In his second season our most expensive transfer was Nikola Vlasic for £33.5M.

In 2022 we bought Aguerd, Areola, Flynn Downes, Scamaca, Maxwel Cornet (still on the books), Thilo Kehrer, Paqueta, Luizao, and Danny Ings. Ings became one of the highest, if not highest, paid players on the squad.

In 2023 we bought Andy Irving, Mavropanos, Edson Alvarez, James Ward Prowse, and Kudus. The latter three all cost £30M+ each.

There were some great transfers in there, but largely a massive waste of transfer funds of players past their best days. Or rather, uninspired transfers for a team that was playing Europa League."

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I think this is probably the biggest overall concern over Moyes and it's mainly a financial one. I don't mind a smattering of experience, it's good in many respects, but we can't afford as a club to have a transfer committee taking chances on younger talent and a manager not willing to give them playing time. Ultimately that will in some form lead to a showdown between Moyes and some others at the club.

[NickNack]

I was looking at a West Ham thread on reddit about pending relegation and there was some back and forth about the rights and wrongs of letting Moyes go.

It was a fairly level headed back and forth but one comment did stick out on the recruitment:

"By the time he was sacked we had one of the oldest starting squads in the league. In his second season our most expensive transfer was Nikola Vlasic for £33.5M.

In 2022 we bought Aguerd, Areola, Flynn Downes, Scamaca, Maxwel Cornet (still on the books), Thilo Kehrer, Paqueta, Luizao, and Danny Ings. Ings became one of the highest, if not highest, paid players on the squad.

In 2023 we bought Andy Irving, Mavropanos, Edson Alvarez, James Ward Prowse, and Kudus. The latter three all cost £30M+ each.

There were some great transfers in there, but largely a massive waste of transfer funds of players past their best days. Or rather, uninspired transfers for a team that was playing Europa League."

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I think this is probably the biggest overall concern over Moyes and it's mainly a financial one. I don't mind a smattering of experience, it's good in many respects, but we can't afford as a club to have a transfer committee taking chances on younger talent and a manager not willing to give them playing time. Ultimately that will in some form lead to a showdown between Moyes and some others at the club.

Can’t disagree the we’d have been horrified if some of that list had signed for us but on the flip side Moyes did win the Europa league, West Ham were flirting with relegation after he left them the first time and when he returned they won their first trophy in forever, after he leaves the second time they’re almost certainly going down. Do we think West Ham would be where they are this season if Moyes was still there? I don’t.

Current flavour of the month Iraola - and I’m not saying he’s a bad manager, he obviously isn’t - but he’s had a couple of long winless streaks while in charge at Bournemouth which, if happened here it’s possible he wouldn’t survive them. There’s far more pressure here than at Bournemouth.

We all want improvement but at the moment I can’t decide if we got within reach of Europe this season because of Moyes or in spite of him. I’m still leaning towards the former as we still have some massive holes in this squad and our ‘better’ players simply haven’t performed in recent games. Regardless of tactics, Ndaiye and KDH were dreadful yesterday, we never know which Beto we’re going to get - the one who beat three players to set up a good move, or the one who fell over his own feet immediately after.

The pessimist in me thinks we’re not stable enough as a club yet to get rid of a manager who is unlikely to get us relegated and getting rid now could easily end up being a case of be careful what you wish for as in the PL things can go very wrong very quickly - as West Ham are finding out.

You're spot on about transfers, we can’t afford any mistakes this summer. We need rid of players who aren’t good enough and the signings have got to work from the start.

[Bumble]

How quick we forget! He's settled things for the first time in forever. As much as we're disappointed after a lousy result, this season has been the first in a long time where we're not thinking the worst. Europe wasn't on the cards for weeks, and with our squad depth it's likely a blessing. He'll be here another season.

See this is the mentality that Moyes plays into with his gaslighting. 'We should be lucky we're finishing in mid table and have no right to be thinking about Europe... etc'

In reality the points totals haven't changed in three seasons and we now have no money worries with a new stadium and increased revenue so we're more stable than most doomsayers will have you believe.

We'll likely end the season only a handful of wins above Spurs, a club in crisis and who are battling relegation until the final day and probably below Leeds, another relegation candidate.

Let's not pretend we have had a great season. No cup runs and ending the season in relegation form with no win in 6, with a back four he loves that is the stuff of nightmares.

I'm not sure we can expect anything radically different next season. Remains to be seen whether the board is strong enough to make a decision.

[Kerryblueboy]

See this is the mentality that Moyes plays into with his gaslighting. 'We should be lucky we're finishing in mid table and have no right to be thinking about Europe... etc'

In reality the points totals haven't changed in three seasons and we now have no money worries with a new stadium and increased revenue so we're more stable than most doomsayers will have you believe.

We'll likely end the season only a handful of wins above Spurs, a club in crisis and who are battling relegation until the final day and probably below Leeds, another relegation candidate.

Let's not pretend we have had a great season. No cup runs and ending the season in relegation form with no win in 6, with a back four he loves that is the stuff of nightmares.

I'm not sure we can expect anything radically different next season. Remains to be seen whether the board is strong enough to make a decision.

That was how he used to use the media plucky old Everton punching above its weight lower expectations so anything above relegation zone is perceived as progress we have a beautiful new stadium and need someone to push us on now Moyes is too conservative and stubborn to be that guy

[777Kidnappings]

Desperately want him gone now. We are going nowhere with him. Beyond anything else he clearly doesnt allign with the strategy of the other people deciding on transfers.

Thrown away another chance this season. Wasted money, gone nowhere. Kinnear could go with him for me. Criminal the mess they made of the transfers. They'll do it again in the summer too. They've no clue what they are doing

[Sir Stealth]

Been a bit of a horror show as of late

Yesterday was really poor. We didn’t particularly deserve to be leading . HT we had 39% possession, and that’s at home to a fairly average Sunderland side. The whole approach from the off seemed super conservative, you can’t set up against mid table or lower table sides like that. Especially if there’s no pace to hit them with on the counter. Rohl was one of the few players to emerge with any credit yesterday I thought. KDH didn’t have any movement or options when he got the ball as the full backs don’t really provide width and want to just release the ball as soon as they get it, but not then bomb on to give us an option, and it’s been like that all season

Except yesterday Ndiaye was miles off it and Grealish wasn’t playing so the usual reliable options for KDH to pass to weren’t there

As soon as that ball to Beto was botched by Ndiaye on the counter, everyone in the stadium feared what was to come.

Defence is the most worrying area of the team for me. The O’Brien/Tarkowski/Keane/Mykolenko back 4 has been in place for most of the season. The only one I want to see starting next season is O’Brien but only at centre back. The Brobbey goal yesterday reminded me of the Haaland one the other week where they seem to just have a free run against 2 slow centre backs and score with ease

David Moyes hasn’t been a bad appointment by any stretch of the imagination. I’m sure that we’ve got to remember where we’ve been in the last few years to where we are this season. It’s never felt like we’ve been in any relegation trouble this season.

However we have seen all the things that frustrated us with his first spell return. Sticking with the same players and the knife to a gunfight mentality and never really pushing on when we have the chance to

Having read that post earlier about the differences between him and the transfer committee (or whatever they are called) and how poorly West Ham recruited - I can see a nightmare scenario next season where we sign a young right back who Moyes doesn’t trust, an ageing Stones that is always injured which pretty much leaves us with the same back 4 as this season as Aznou isn’t trusted either

Soucek brought in for a geriatric centre mid pair alongside Gana, an over reliance on Grealish plus a veteran striker like Jimenez brought in as he doesn’t trust Beto or Barry

The lack of minutes for Patterson, Aznou, Rohl, George, Dibling, Alcaraz etc this season has been one of the biggest disappointments

There needs to be agreement and harmony between the manager and recruitment, if there’s not then I’m swaying towards it being the manager who needs to leave out of the 2