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The right decision on Sunday according to Webb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 2l2erpyd0d

The audio showed that a number of other possible fouls had been considered, including Leandro Trossard on Pablo, with the VAR team flagging them to the referee.
Webb backed the VAR team's view by saying that "the most significant contact undoubtedly is that on the goalkeeper".

I’ve not seen enough of what happened to form an opinion but surely it shouldn’t be a case of which was the worst foul but what was the first actual offence in the whole sequence of events? Seems to me there was more going on before Raya’s incident

The wrong place really but I just saw something on Facebook.... suarezs handball against ghana. There was an offside in the buildup. Feels amazing that it was both missed at the time and since. Least ive never seen it mentioned

NickNack wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 7:00 pm The right decision on Sunday according to Webb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 2l2erpyd0d

The audio showed that a number of other possible fouls had been considered, including Leandro Trossard on Pablo, with the VAR team flagging them to the referee.
Webb backed the VAR team's view by saying that "the most significant contact undoubtedly is that on the goalkeeper".

I’ve not seen enough of what happened to form an opinion but surely it shouldn’t be a case of which was the worst foul but what was the first actual offence in the whole sequence of events? Seems to me there was more going on before Raya’s incident

He'd be arguing the other way if that's what they decided to do and punish Trossard's wrestling on Pablo.

In fairness to VAR on that transcript they mostly got that right in terms of pointing out other incidents in the box, including the Trossard one that was seemingly the first significant one. Seems like it was a case of the referee who decided seemingly quite quickly that Trossard's wrestling/holding wasn't actually a foul.

Highlights the referees are pretty pivotal in why we're in this mess of a situation with corners, as they don't have any interest in punishing players grappling and not playing the ball at all which would be a foul anywhere else or in any other moment on the pitch.

blueToffee wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 7:21 pm He'd be arguing the other way if that's what they decided to do and punish Trossard's wrestling on Pablo.

In fairness to VAR on that transcript they mostly got that right in terms of pointing out other incidents in the box, including the Trossard one that was seemingly the first significant one. Seems like it was a case of the referee who decided seemingly quite quickly that Trossard's wrestling/holding wasn't actually a foul.

Highlights the referees are pretty pivotal in why we're in this mess of a situation with corners, as they don't have any interest in punishing players grappling and not playing the ball at all which would be a foul anywhere else or in any other moment on the pitch.

Surely you dont give the foul for the most significant contact. You give it for the 1st 1? I genuinely think no one including the refs really know what the rules are anymore. Seem to get new narratives each match for how they've come to a decision. Not a foul cos he slipped. Not a handball cos he was grappling. A foul for most significant contact rather than the 1st 1.

Even right down to complimenting refs for not handing out yellow cards for yellow card fouls (which has been going on for an age)

The rules seem to be almost optional now and theres a new imaginative reason each week for a new odd decision. It feels like they've lost complete control. Its all just incredibly random

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 8:17 pm Surely you dont give the foul for the most significant contact. You give it for the 1st 1? I genuinely think no one including the refs really know what the rules are anymore. Seem to get new narratives each match for how they've come to a decision. Not a foul cos he slipped. Not a handball cos he was grappling. A foul for most significant contact rather than the 1st 1.

Even right down to complimenting refs for not handing out yellow cards for yellow card fouls (which has been going on for an age)

The rules seem to be almost optional now and theres a new imaginative reason each week for a new odd decision. It feels like they've lost complete control. Its all just incredibly random

Refs are operating on a vibes only basis now it would seem.

There have been that many of them too I'd already forgotten about the "not a foul because he slipped" nonsense.

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 8:17 pm Surely you dont give the foul for the most significant contact. You give it for the 1st 1? I genuinely think no one including the refs really know what the rules are anymore. Seem to get new narratives each match for how they've come to a decision. Not a foul cos he slipped. Not a handball cos he was grappling. A foul for most significant contact rather than the 1st 1.

Even right down to complimenting refs for not handing out yellow cards for yellow card fouls (which has been going on for an age)

The rules seem to be almost optional now and theres a new imaginative reason each week for a new odd decision. It feels like they've lost complete control. Its all just incredibly random

Great post.
Yeah, they've completely and utterly lost control coming up with utter shite for their decisions.
How the hell does anyone comes to the conclusion with half a dozen fouls going on we'll pick the most significant.
Surely to god when all that's going on you run it back find the first offence and make a decision on that.
As for the reason that we didn't get the handball call at west ham it was an insult to anyone's intelligence to swallow that.
There was no grappling, he went to put his arms around Barry's waist and hit the ball with his hand where his hand had no right to be.
A stonewall penalty, anyone could see it, not them, let's make something up so we don't have to give a penalty and drop west ham in the shit, there's only 8 minutes left.
They are getting more and more ludicrous by the week

Wasn’t there some bullshit excuse recently that grappling was all fine if the ball wasn’t in play?

So you can basically throw your opponent to the floor as long as the kick hasn’t been taken

Cereal Killer wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 8:46 pm Wasn’t there some bullshit excuse recently that grappling was all fine if the ball wasn’t in play?

So you can basically throw your opponent to the floor as long as the kick hasn’t been taken

Wasn't that the excuse why nothing was given for silva holding Rohl?

Stumpy wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 8:51 pm Wasn't that the excuse why nothing was given for silva holding Rohl?

Yeah probably the one I’m thinking of

I imagine that’s one of those “rules” that only applies to certain clubs though

Stumpy wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 8:51 pm Wasn't that the excuse why nothing was given for silva holding Rohl?

They said it was because the grappling was mostly happening before the corner was taken. Which logically means they're acknowledging the ball was actually in play when the grappling was still going on and caused Rohl to go down. Meaning they just make shit up to suit the decision they want to give.

Same thing here though, Trossard never let go of him, effectively stopped him from challenging/jumping for the ball and never had any intention of playing the ball.

So they're saying grappling/wrestling is fine if the corner hasn't been taken. It's a free for all basically. Also, though a new addendum is that it's also ok to continue to foul the opposition player if the corner has in fact been taken IF the keeper (only Raya specifically) is fouled afterwards. Or if you're fouling an Everton player, that's totally cool too. I think that's what the adjusted rule book says given the last couple of weeks

Also Rice was the one who was fouling and Gabriel.

Rice Gabriel and Trossard are all fouling a million times more than Pablo on Raya.

Fucking crazy.

I'd have gone no goal, penalty to West Ham, along the lines of which action happens first.

They've allowed the grappling to get out of hand, should be yellow cards to each player with arms around another, or shirt pulling, on a set piece. But this is how the expectations get widened over time when the rules are not enforced.

Half think that KDH's up and under kick off routine is a tongue in cheek response to how the set piece part of the game is turning into a rugby scrum (or is it a rolling maul? @Brownie )

More of a maul