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Felt like the tide turned tonight. The booing of the Beto/Young substitution with the general manner of the defeat was clearly too much for the Goodison faithful after the way we've started the season. Any good credit Dyche had seems to have dissipated at his point.

Maybe he'll turn it around again but if we're still winless after Leicester A and Palace H then I think Goodison will be pretty vitriolic towards him and with Newcastle H after that before an international break then it feels like that Newcastle match would be his last.

Who knows though, maybe we'll bang out a classic 1-0 against Palace.

Shogun wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:42 pm Felt like the tide turned tonight. The booing of the Beto/Young substitution said the general manner of the defeat was clearly too much for the Goodison faithful after the way we've started the season. Any good credit Dyche had seems to have dissipated at his point.

Maybe he'll turn it around again but if we're still winless after Leicester A and Palace H then I think Goodison will be pretty vitriolic towards him and with Newcastle H after that before an international break then it feels like that's when he'd be sacked.

Agree 100%

Needed something positive from tonight to take into the next league, even if it was just a performance. Feels like sliding down the slippery slope into the shit now.

Dyche, himself, has maybe lost heart in the club - who wouldn't...?

There’s something very amateurish about him this season.

Started in pre season tbh.

Sometimes feels like we have a glorified P.E teacher who’s done a weekend management course in charge.

Amber light, flashing

He’s lost all ideas. N’Diaye and McNeil getting shifted about to play 2/3 positions each game. Just smacks of change something for the sake of it and hope it works out

Bottom of the League, out of the Cup

Points on the board, pretty damn quick

Yeah I think it might be that time again to replace the manager.

No doubt the club will have no clue who to go for and their eventual two man shortlist will be managers with polar opposite philosophies.

TheRam wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:19 pm There’s something very amateurish about him this season.

Started in pre season tbh.

Sometimes feels like we have a glorified P.E teacher who’s done a weekend management course in charge.

He's jacked it in I think but he's in danger of burning down his reputation here.

yeah, i'm one of the last to go on the "sack the manager" rant. stuck with frank a lot longer than most, so make of that what you will. just seems he's got some blind spots that are really bad. insisting on playing keggers and young, is top of the list. never making subs when players are puffing is bananas.

Think he's done as much as he can do with the dross he's been given and the club needs a change.

Partly the tools he has to do the job (how many ideas can you really implement with a threadbare squad and youths on the bench), partly the shitshow the club sadly is these days, but also, and no longer undeniably, partly Dyche’s fault.

He’s not getting performances from players. He’s not managing well in-game. His tactics/strategies are not positively impacting games.

I don’t know how much time he has left. Probably only still here because Moshiri doesn’t give a shit, but that may soon change if he thinks his sale will take a hit by having to sell a club that’s in the Championship.

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:34 am Partly the tools he has to do the job (how many ideas can you really implement with a threadbare squad and youths on the bench), partly the shitshow the club sadly is these days, but also, and no longer undeniably, partly Dyche’s fault.

He’s not getting performances from players. He’s not managing well in-game. His tactics/strategies are not positively impacting games.

I don’t know how much time he has left. Probably only still here because Moshiri doesn’t give a shit, but that may soon change if he thinks his sale will take a hit by having to sell a club that’s in the Championship.

Exactly yeah, cheaper to sack and rehire than to sell a relegated club. Has to go if we don't start to turn it around at Leicester.

The squad has some big gaps, but still some good players for a decent coach to come in and get something from.

The squad is hideous. The complete lack of pace. The wingers and full backs are probably the worst in the league, some wouldn't get in okay championship teams

The managers performance has also been lacking this season too though. On top of that we are managing to write headlines now too. The losing from 2 up twice. It's a bit of a meaningless story but it's a big headline. Same with youngs penalty. It's the worst way we could have lost for the manager

Think dyche probably should go now. The dof has plenty to answer for too though

I think he knows he's going when a new owner comes in, whatever our position at the time.
Things are so dire I wouldn't be against a change now but all the same questions that have influenced all the previous managerial changes remain.