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superpull wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 4:43 pm He's definitely a "let's get to 40 points and see where we are" guy.

Which is fine - because that's where we currently are as a club

Are we?

Bumble wrote: ↑Fri Nov 28, 2025 10:13 amAre we?

No. From the day he was reappointed, he's talked constantly about getting us in the top half of the table as quickly as possible and getting into Europe, and not wanting to manage a club that's languishing in the lower reaches.

But that won't suit @superpull 's narrative

Some great answers from him there.

Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 28, 2025 3:44 pm No. From the day he was reappointed, he's talked constantly about getting us in the top half of the table as quickly as possible and getting into Europe, and not wanting to manage a club that's languishing in the lower reaches.

But that won't suit @superpull 's narrative

This isn't a narrative about him. It's a narrative about a club that has narrowly survived oblivion for the last 5 or so years.

There should be no expectation of Europe.
So if we hit spring and have a chance of that happening he will have done fantastically well.

Similarly, if we end up 14th and the season peters out, I don't think he should come in for any stick.

But he is absolutely belt & braces first. Which is what we need. Which means we get safe asap and then move onto the next target.
That was his philosophy when we *were* in Europe

superpull wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 11:49 am Agree with a note of caution - there's been many calendar years where his stats look equally as impressive.
One of his issues is he works a team so hard it very rarely lasts over the course of a season.

But, he proved on Monday that he isn't the same manager as last time. So lets see if he can continue to prove his growth.

Monday showed how different his approach is. Moyes v1.0 would have immediately substituted one or two of KDH or Grealish or Ndiaye for Tim plus one. Instead, we went down to 10 men with 3 attack minded midfielders and a centre forward. It gave us a threat and multiple outballs when under the cosh. It helps that we’ve managed to recruit creative players with an amazing work ethic.

superpull wrote: ↑Fri Nov 28, 2025 7:12 pm This isn't a narrative about him. It's a narrative about a club that has narrowly survived oblivion for the last 5 or so years.

There should be no expectation of Europe.
So if we hit spring and have a chance of that happening he will have done fantastically well.

Similarly, if we end up 14th and the season peters out, I don't think he should come in for any stick.

But he is absolutely belt & braces first. Which is what we need. Which means we get safe asap and then move onto the next target.
That was his philosophy when we *were* in Europe

This is always the perspective from people who look backwards, their frame of reference is from a time which no longer exists.

Sure he’ll never be gung ho and he will always rely on experience over youth, that’s just his nature. But the club has moved on so he will have to evolve his thinking too. This isn’t the Kenwright and Moyes show anymore.

Bumble wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 2:01 pm This is always the perspective from people who look backwards, their frame of reference is from a time which no longer exists.

Sure he’ll never be gung ho and he will always rely on experience over youth, that’s just his nature. But the club has moved on so he will have to evolve his thinking too. This isn’t the Kenwright and Moyes show anymore.

And I think people who don't think like me are blindly ignorant of the past and victims of the truism "those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it".

In all seriousness though, we are on the same page here. I am just wary of creating unrealistic expectations that we will then use to criticise the manager when we don't achieve them.

Do I think we will qualify for Europe this year? No.
Do I think it's beyond the realms of possibility? Also no.

The difference between the two is what failure looks like next May. I will praise Moyes for 10th. Those expecting Europe should be criticising him for the same

Shit attitude. Shocking actually.

Truth like, man for man I think I take one or two of ours over there's. And one of those is Pickford.

brap2 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 10:06 pm Truth like, man for man I think I take one or two of ours over there's. And one of those is Pickford.

Yeh but you don't want to hear the boss man telling the world.

Grim reading that

Is what it is I think, theyve pumped 100s of millions in over the last few years and are currently playing champions league football with a star studded side.

We lost our 36 year old cm after he slapped our 33 year old CB and we went to pot.

brap2 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 10:06 pm Truth like, man for man I think I take one or two of ours over there's. And one of those is Pickford.

They were below us in the league. They've just been bummed in their last away game against Brentford. They'd scored 3 league goals away from home prior to tonight and not won any of them including the likes of Brentford, West Ham and Leeds.

Losing is fine, actually saying that quote after a home match as if we're playing prime Man City away is shocking.

If that's his attitude then may as well write off a good 20 matches this season. Would hate to be a footballer playing under that mentality.

Shogun wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 10:10 pm They were below us in the league. They've just been bummed in their last away game against Brentford. They'd scored 3 league goals away from home prior to tonight and not won any of them including the likes of Brentford, West Ham and Leeds.

Losing is fine, actually saying that quote after a home match as if we're playing prime Man City is shocking.

So what? They hadn't turned up for much of this season, they did today and blew us away because of the quality on the pitch and tbh the quality and style of coaching.

Not on their level, it's a fact. Be embarrassed for them if we were.