Dyche

[Shogun]

It's not miserable it's just realism. I don't feel stressed or depressed about it, just acknowledge that the summer isn't some grand dawn of us rising from the ashes, we'll still have a shit squad and be relying on Branthwaite leaving to even half address the pure simple fact we need to buy about 10 players.

It's a total minefield for anyone coming in to navigate, it doesn't mean they can't, but it's still a pretty mental job to be walking in to and the risk factor is extremely high.

People don't want Dyche to stay on next season because they see it as a chance to reset and create something new, but it's not as simple as that, in fact it's fraught with issues.

That's seeing it black and white though. Someone like Potter can operate on limited budget with a limited squad. It's not like there're only two types of managers in the world and one is for the good times and the other is when you're in a bad spot. Potter could come in and finish 15th but if the football is better and there's positive signs then the mood of the club will lift massively which is pretty much exactly what he did in taking over Brighton from Hughton.

[TheRam]

What makes the job easier for dyche then?

The takeover moves us up another level, let’s get a manager who can take us there.

It’s still a tough job, but the financial parameters have changed for the better.

Dyche was brought in to work in a certain situation. That situation has changed, let’s move on and get some fresh ideas.

[TheRam]

That's seeing it black and white though. Someone like Potter can operate on limited budget with a limited squad. It's not like there're only two types of managers in the world and one is for the good times and the other is when you're in a bad spot. Potter could come in and finish 15th but if the football is better and there's positive signs then the mood of the club will lift massively which is pretty much exactly what he did in taking over Brighton from Hughton.

I agree with most of what you’re saying but no manager would survive finishing 15th here, especially with raised expectations.

They’d be hounded out, no matter how good the football is.

[Shogun]

The funny thing is I'm pretty sure if it wasn't for the top 6 wages then Dyche wouldn't even considering staying next season.

[Bob Sacamano]

I just can't talk about this any more

Luckily I know two people who can

[AjaxAndy]

What makes the job easier for dyche then?

The takeover moves us up another level, let’s get a manager who can take us there.

It’s still a tough job, but the financial parameters have changed for the better.

Dyche was brought in to work in a certain situation. That situation has changed, let’s move on and get some fresh ideas.

I'm not even saying it's easier for Dyche, although one aspect would be that he understands the squad which when you have to bring in 50% new players that is actually quite advantageous.

My point is that moving to the new stadium next year isn't some magic bullet where we suddenly become a good club over night. Whoever is in charge faces an almighty job given how few playera we'll actually have come the summer, and whilst we may have more money to spend it still won't be monumental and buying so many players with it means high risk gambles are likely going to be in abundance.

The flip side of this is obviously a new manager with a better brand of football brings in new players and we don't saddle ourselves with multiple Dyche type signings that then can't play under a more progressive manager.

I see it from both sides, but I think we need to dampen our expectations of the summer being the dawn of a new age. It's going to be complicated, messy and fraught with danger whichever way we go.

[Evertonian in NC]

What makes the job easier for dyche then?

The takeover moves us up another level, let’s get a manager who can take us there.

It’s still a tough job, but the financial parameters have changed for the better.

Dyche was brought in to work in a certain situation. That situation has changed, let’s move on and get some fresh ideas.

This is pretty much what I meant. We will have far, far fewer players under contract after this season - so it is an ideal time to start laying some groundwork for the "moving forward in a new era" Everton. You sign different players other than "Sean Dyche grafter types" even if you aren't going on a massive spending binge.

And yes, we will have to be very, very patient with the building process.

[Cods]

Be happy with another N'Diaye, if he's classed as a Dyche type.

Signings are hit and miss in general, have a look at Man United. Moreso in our position without the cash to wield.

Again I just think we're settling/wanting/crying out for 'different' as opposed to 'better', and I can't even argue too much for the latter, but we've got to be careful. Small steps.

[UnsyisaRhino]

What makes the job easier for dyche then?

The takeover moves us up another level, let’s get a manager who can take us there.

It’s still a tough job, but the financial parameters have changed for the better.

Dyche was brought in to work in a certain situation. That situation has changed, let’s move on and get some fresh ideas.

It all depends on how much the situation has changed, if we're no longer in survival mode and have some money to spend and a system in place that means we'll spend it in a sensible way, then I'd love us to bring in someone more modern and progressive.

If we're still fighting our way out of the trenches with the transfer equivalent of table scraps, and the remains of our current squad, then Dyche might still be the best choice.

[Toddacelli]

I'm not even saying it's easier for Dyche, although one aspect would be that he understands the squad which when you have to bring in 50% new players that is actually quite advantageous.

My point is that moving to the new stadium next year isn't some magic bullet where we suddenly become a good club over night. Whoever is in charge faces an almighty job given how few playera we'll actually have come the summer, and whilst we may have more money to spend it still won't be monumental and buying so many players with it means high risk gambles are likely going to be in abundance.

The flip side of this is obviously a new manager with a better brand of football brings in new players and we don't saddle ourselves with multiple Dyche type signings that then can't play under a more progressive manager.

I see it from both sides, but I think we need to dampen our expectations of the summer being the dawn of a new age. It's going to be complicated, messy and fraught with danger whichever way we go.

Surely knowing the current squad means less than it ever did this year as a bunch will end contracts and we need to add multiple bodies all over.

[Escalator]

It all depends on how much the situation has changed, if we're no longer in survival mode and have some money to spend and a system in place that means we'll spend it in a sensible way, then I'd love us to bring in someone more modern and progressive.

If we're still fighting our way out of the trenches with the transfer equivalent of table scraps, and the remains of our current squad, then Dyche might still be the best choice.

It would appear that unless revenue increases quite considerably we will still be flirting with a PSR sanction, no matter how much money Friedkin puts on the table you can’t spend it unless you balance the books.

[superpull]

I would like to point out that my original comment regarding next season not being the sunlit uplands some people are expecting did not make reference to the manager or who they should be.

Just that we will start the season in a relegation battle again. (and likely will the year after that).

To think otherwise means whoever is managing us will be under pressure by Christmas and one of the overriding reasons we are in this mess is because of how many managers we have fired. (Again, not commenting on whether they should have been fired or not)

[AjaxAndy]

Surely knowing the current squad means less than it ever did this year as a bunch will end contracts and we need to add multiple bodies all over.

Nah honestly I think it's a monumental task for whoever has the job, but more so having no real understanding of the players still here as well as having to recruit 10 new players.

Tarks for example will be a year older and only looks good when paired with Branthwaite who won't be here. It's easier for an existing manager to understand who Tarks neds next to him, what characteristics they need etc than someone walking through the door without that knowledge.

At the end of the day though we have to accept we'll have no Branthwaite and DCL will leave on a free along with Gana and Doucoure. It's a huge ask for anyone regardless of current or new manager.

Whoever's in charge is likely to be down near the bottom and under pressure before Xmas, we'd have to absolutely nail out recruitment and then they hit the ground running so it's going to be a tough season.

It might seem I'm pro keeping Dyche, I'm actually completely split on the issue though. I'd love Potter here and some long term building, and if we are to do that at some point there's no reason to give Dyche 10 players for his system and style. I also think we'll be in a relegation battle again next season and Dyche, if he performs well this season, will have proven he's the right man for another season or two while we find some stability and move away from the yearly relegation battle.

[74Blue]

Well the media is reporting the Gareth Southgate is not interested in the Everton job and is holding out for Utd.

Thank fuck for that!

[TheRam]

Why would we be in a relegation battle?

We wouldn’t have been last season without the deduction?

Think some of you are being overly negative about where the club will be next summer.

How long do we keep this cycle going for?