Dyche

[Cozzie]

Similar parallels to last season.

We had a point after 5 games and eventually won on game 6 (Brentford 3-1 away)

Same again this season, 1 point after 5 before winning game 6 against Palace.

Like last season, with the home games against Fulham and Wolves we should have had more points on the board as we should have this season to he honest.

Wouldn't surprise me now if we went on a mini run before stinking the gaff out in December.

New owners will be in by then so who knows.

[HANNU]

They're having a good season, not sure why they'd sack him if he keeps it up?

i think its stuff behind the scenes, something about the owners employed people to over see him without telling him about it and things are not rosey with him and his superiors and there is a breakdown of trust

i cant remember where i heard it but defo watched something the other day about it

[Shogun]

I think given that they're American owners, running a club in Italy, with other business interests in different countries, it's highly likely that the next manager wouldn't be British.

[Mouse]

An amusing and reasonable summing up of where we and Dyche are in the mad world that is Everton from Barney Ronay.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ier-league

[Evertonian in NC]

Dyche had a remit within his skill set, and he (mostly) performed it well.

But the job changes starting next season, and you don't let the house painter re-do your electrical system, just because he did a good job painting.

[kramer]

I have nothing but appreciation for the job he’s done so far.

We’ve seen a lot of hacks manage this club, some ambitious, some (allegedly) pragmatic. There’s something to be said for a manager who knows what he can get his players to do to pick up points and actually delivers. Bonus points for not reveling in it like he’s some kind of genius (*cough* Allardyce).

I think his style grates on players after a couple of years so unless he’s very careful building a side primarily out of grafters making their biggest career move (e.g. Burnley), he’s got a limited shelf life. He should still have a nice second act as a club stabilizer. Maybe he’s got something more about him like Moyes and will eventually get a chance to show it off. Time is likely up on this being that club.

[superpull]

Dyche had a remit within his skill set, and he (mostly) performed it well.

But the job changes starting next season, and you don't let the house painter re-do your electrical system, just because he did a good job painting.

You see, it's opinions like this that worry me.

We're still going to be amongst the favourites for relegation next year.

The financial and logistical restraints of our squad means there's no possibility of a huge makeover.

A new stadium and new owners don't actually change that

[777Kidnappings]

You see, it's opinions like this that worry me.

We're still going to be amongst the favourites for relegation next year.

The financial and logistical restraints of our squad means there's no possibility of a huge makeover.

A new stadium and new owners don't actually change that

Yeah it feels a bit delusional to think that this is our last season of struggle. We are still going to be struggling financially and have about 12 players under contract. Worst thing we could do is go for a completely different style without the finances to underpin it

[AjaxAndy]

You see, it's opinions like this that worry me.

We're still going to be amongst the favourites for relegation next year.

The financial and logistical restraints of our squad means there's no possibility of a huge makeover.

A new stadium and new owners don't actually change that

Yeah even if we get £10m a year for stadium naming rights and £10m extra revenue from the stadium itself that's only an additional £20m a year... Whilst it'll be nice to buy an extra Ndaiye a year then reality is we need to sell to buy and really have to rely on an £80m bid for Branthwaite to have the actual funds to buy enough players to even have a full team and bench.

Even then it'll be a struggle to buy as many as we need with what we'll have available.

It's a hell of a job for a new person to come in and understand what they need and then us provide it for them before the start of the season. I don't really see how that's even possible tbh.

Imagine someone like Potter coming on and we have 13 players of which one is Branthwaite, we then sell him a month before the season starts and we now have 12 with an actual budget to start buying... So he'd need to buy 8 players minimum, and whilst the DOF will be largely responsible it's not exactly a recipe for success is it?

[Shogun]

Jesus Christ, and I think I'm miserable.

Plenty of managers who have gone into batshit clubs in trying circumstances and managed to turn them into successful teams.

Is it an easy job? No
Are we guaranteed to be in a relegation battle every season for the considerable future? No

There's about 11 teams in this league where the margins between them all are pretty small. Plenty of scope for improvement.

[777Kidnappings]

Jesus Christ, and I think I'm miserable.

Plenty of managers who have gone into batshit clubs in trying circumstances and managed to turn them into successful teams.

Is it an easy job? No
Are we guaranteed to be in a relegation battle every season for the considerable future? No

There's about 11 teams in this league where the margins between them all are pretty small. Plenty of scope for improvement.

11 teams?? Wed of finished 12th last season which ia pretty good when you consider 9th was best we could do. Has dyche managed to turn us into a successful team under your criteria

[UnsyisaRhino]

Jesus Christ, and I think I'm miserable.

Plenty of managers who have gone into batshit clubs in trying circumstances and managed to turn them into successful teams.

Is it an easy job? No
Are we guaranteed to be in a relegation battle every season for the considerable future? No

There's about 11 teams in this league where the margins between them all are pretty small. Plenty of scope for improvement.

Not sure anyone talked about the the considerable future, just next season.

There's nothing wrong with being realistic, and realistically, we're still in the shit on the field, even if the club as a whole is more stable.

Surviving comfortably is a realistic aim, but doing so while trying to re-invent our entire football ethos with a tiny squad and severe spending limitations seems a big ask for anyone.

[Shogun]

11 teams?? Wed of finished 12th last season which ia pretty good when you consider 9th was best we could do. Has dyche managed to turn us into a successful team under your criteria

Not sure why that's relevant. Some people don't want Dyche because they'd like to enjoy* watching Everton play football again. He could go 5 months without a win and finish 10th and I still wouldn't want him.

There's generally only a few points between like 11th and 18th in this league. You don't have to firefight and accept crap footy just to scrape to 16th.

*And by "enjoy", the barometer I mean is "To not absolutely despise it"

Some need to get out of the mindset that we HAVE to suffer right now. The difference in squad ability between the bottom 10/11 teams is pretty minimal.

[AjaxAndy]

Jesus Christ, and I think I'm miserable.

Plenty of managers who have gone into batshit clubs in trying circumstances and managed to turn them into successful teams.

Is it an easy job? No
Are we guaranteed to be in a relegation battle every season for the considerable future? No

There's about 11 teams in this league where the margins between them all are pretty small. Plenty of scope for improvement.

It's not miserable it's just realism. I don't feel stressed or depressed about it, just acknowledge that the summer isn't some grand dawn of us rising from the ashes, we'll still have a shit squad and be relying on Branthwaite leaving to even half address the pure simple fact we need to buy about 10 players.

It's a total minefield for anyone coming in to navigate, it doesn't mean they can't, but it's still a pretty mental job to be walking in to and the risk factor is extremely high.

People don't want Dyche to stay on next season because they see it as a chance to reset and create something new, but it's not as simple as that, in fact it's fraught with issues.

[brap2]

I just can't talk about this any more