James Garner

[sam of the south]

So we’re saying he’s nearly as good as Jude Bellingham?

[Bluedylan1]

Not Garner's biggest fan, but those stats are just based on a handful of games this season, when he's not had a pre-season and has been struggling to get upto speed.

Would be interested to see where he sits on that chart over the whole season, if he gets upto full fitness and gets to the level he got to last season. As I recall he was near the top of the all the defensive stats for midfielders in the Prem last season.

[Bluedylan1]

Having said that it does annoy me when a player who hasn't been playing well at all, does something good like scores a goal, and then starts giving it back to the crowd in their celebration.

Nah, mate, you've been playing poorly. The criticism has been valid. A goal doesn't negate that.

Seems to be a very modern phenomenon. They're obviously all glued to their phones, listening to any criticism that comes their way and waiting to bite back at the critics.

[Gash]

Having said that it does annoy me when a player who hasn't been playing well at all, does something good like scores a goal, and then starts giving it back to the crowd in their celebration.

Nah, mate, you've been playing poorly. The criticism has been valid. A goal doesn't negate that.

Seems to be a very modern phenomenon. They're obviously all glued to their phones, listening to any criticism that comes their way and waiting to bite back at the critics.

Definitely a modern thing although not just to the younger players generation. Managers these days as well seem to take so much offence to anything fans, pundits or commentators say about them. It's obviously a social media issue and they're looking out for it a lot of the time but they're in a job where they'll be scrutinised especially when things aren't going well, it's part and parcel of the game and at the top level they're also being very handsomely rewarded for what they do so need realise that's part of the job.

[Bluedylan1]

Definitely a modern thing although not just to the younger players generation. Managers these days as well seem to take so much offence to anything fans, pundits or commentators say about them. It's obviously a social media issue and they're looking out for it a lot of the time but your in a job where you'll be scrutinised especially when things aren't going well, it's part and parcel of the game and at the top level they're also being very handsomely rewarded for what they do so need realise that's part of the job.

Yeah, I do sympathise. I'm very thin skinned and sensitive to criticism. I would find being a public figure in the social media age incredibly difficult. I'm honestly not even sure I could do it, even if I was a brilliant player.

I suppose thinking about it more, we can't really blame them for some of their reactions and defensiveness. As you say, it does come with the territory and they should know that, but I'd be forever tweeting late night comments defending my performance or the team's performance. Ideally you'd just stay off it altogether, but as much as people say that, clearly none of them really do.

As you allude to, even someone like Moyes at his age, seems to be keenly aware of what everyone says about him, and I often wonder if he makes certain team selections to double down against those criticisms, cos he's a stubborn arl Scot.

[Granite]

Yeah, can see both sides. If he was clapping-back directly to someone who had been saying he’d been poor this season, then I’d definitely file his reaction as too sensitive, but he’s reacting to a very broad range of criticism. I’m sure he’d be the first to acknowledge he’s not been great this season but then you’ll have fans questioning his professionalism, calling him a Championship player or telling him to kill himself, if he’s had a bad game.

Meanwhile Grealish has been equally poor this season and how many times was his thread bumped? Before pissheadgate, of course.

[brap2]

He’s been shite and a scruffy arse goal in the carabooboo does not change that for one minute

[brap2]

Not Garner's biggest fan, but those stats are just based on a handful of games this season, when he's not had a pre-season and has been struggling to get upto speed.

Would be interested to see where he sits on that chart over the whole season, if he gets upto full fitness and gets to the level he got to last season. As I recall he was near the top of the all the defensive stats for midfielders in the Prem last season.

Yeah he’s good at running around and chasing the ball in defence

Last years, he’s somewhere bottom right

[Free Agent]

Should’ve pinched that Stiller lad when we played Stuttgart

[Granite]

Probably the only £8.5m player on that graph.

[StirlingBlue]

Yeah, I do sympathise. I'm very thin skinned and sensitive to criticism. I would find being a public figure in the social media age incredibly difficult. I'm honestly not even sure I could do it, even if I was a brilliant player.

I suppose thinking about it more, we can't really blame them for some of their reactions and defensiveness. As you say, it does come with the territory and they should know that, but I'd be forever tweeting late night comments defending my performance or the team's performance. Ideally you'd just stay off it altogether, but as much as people say that, clearly none of them really do.

As you allude to, even someone like Moyes at his age, seems to be keenly aware of what everyone says about him, and I often wonder if he makes certain team selections to double down against those criticisms, cos he's a stubborn arl Scot.

I think it’s the algorithm itself that’s the problem too, guarantee it will be pushing the opinions and criticism towards the player to view as it will get engagement.

Forums etc have been around for 20+ years now discussing players but things like twitter have made it unavoidable for them

[TheRam]

That pass to Dibling.

Pass of the season. You will not see anything better.

More of that ffs

[brap2]

That pass to Dibling.

Pass of the season. You will not see anything better.

More of that ffs

Didn’t see it. Why was Dibling stood behind him?

I joke I jooooooke

[AjaxAndy]

That pass to Dibling.

Pass of the season. You will not see anything better.

More of that ffs

Was a beauty. Low punch with fade. Its the kind of technique I wish I could do in my golf game, let alone with a football!

[4evablu]

You take garner out of our side and watch us struggle….