David Moyes

[777Kidnappings]

Feels like im wasting my life on everton. Even as a non match going fan its a significant part of my free time watching and then thinking about everton. It makes me less happy. I know theres no guarantees in sport but it almost feels like we are guaranteed to not do anything. To not show ambition. To blow our chances. To recruit badly. Theres not a lot of joy in it.

Feel really sorry for people who actually spend money and spend extra hours traveling too.

We deserve more. Not titles and a great team but we deserve a full squad of players (when did we last really have that) competent staff, sensible recrutiment. Owners that want to be here.

Moyes out?? Yes but really all the fucking lot of them out. We are the least ambitious least fun club in the league and have been for so long now

[sam of the south]

Feels like im wasting my life on everton. Even as a non match going fan its a significant part of my free time watching and then thinking about everton. It makes me less happy. I know theres no guarantees in sport but it almost feels like we are guaranteed to not do anything. To not show ambition. To blow our chances. To recruit badly. Theres not a lot of joy in it.

Feel really sorry for people who actually spend money and spend extra hours traveling too.

We deserve more. Not titles and a great team but we deserve a full squad of players (when did we last really have that) competent staff, sensible recrutiment. Owners that want to be here.

Moyes out?? Yes but really all the fucking lot of them out. We are the least ambitious least fun club in the league and have been for so long now

Could be some excitement this season, man, we might get sucked into a relegation battle, so stay tuned and buckle up for another wild ride of thrills & spills

[Lazarou II]

Feels like im wasting my life on everton. Even as a non match going fan its a significant part of my free time watching and then thinking about everton. It makes me less happy. I know theres no guarantees in sport but it almost feels like we are guaranteed to not do anything. To not show ambition. To blow our chances. To recruit badly. Theres not a lot of joy in it.

Feel really sorry for people who actually spend money and spend extra hours traveling too.

We deserve more. Not titles and a great team but we deserve a full squad of players (when did we last really have that) competent staff, sensible recrutiment. Owners that want to be here.

Moyes out?? Yes but really all the fucking lot of them out. We are the least ambitious least fun club in the league and have been for so long now

I was away with a Wigan fan at the weekend and know loads of Preston fans and go to Deepdale from time to time, even know a few Southport fans.

I am not having a go at you for you feeling like you do, it is frustrating and I moan about it all the time but we don't have a clue what it is like to be really shit and have zero ambition with a dump of a stadium.

[AjaxAndy]

I think most of us would accept a similar points total to last season if the team regularly contained Hackney, Dibling and George.

Moyes isn't that man though.

He's not brave enough to risk struggling towards the bottom by taking risks, and he isn't good enough to get up top 7 by mitigating risk.

Safe pair of hands though, and whilst that's the case the owners will happily retain him whilst they try and sell the club, so we are stuck with him for the time being.

[777Kidnappings]

I was away with a Wigan fan at the weekend and know loads of Preston fans and go to Deepdale from time to time, even know a few Southport fans.

I am not having a go at you for you feeling like you do, it is frustrating and I moan about it all the time but we don't have a clue what it is like to be really shit and have zero ambition with a dump of stadium.

I know what your saying and its probably right but no club seems stuck like ours have been. Wigan have probably been in every league over the last 20 years. Won an fa cup which probably seemed impossible. We are infinitely better than most teams and in a better position going forwards but we just never do anything. Its not that we fall short its that we consistently tie our own hands.

It seems important that weve never been relegated but weve been left behind by plenty of teams that have been. I dont expect anything beyond us just looking competent. When the fuck was the club really competent

[777Kidnappings]

I think most of us would accept a similar points total to last season if the team regularly contained Hackney, Dibling and George.

Moyes isn't that man though.

He's not brave enough to risk struggling towards the bottom by taking risks, and he isn't good enough to get up top 7 by mitigating risk.

Safe pair of hands though, and whilst that's the case the owners will happily retain him whilst they try and sell the club, so we are stuck with him for the time being.

Yeah its not about where we finish this season. Its about a lack of identity. If we were a club that played and developed youngsters or a club that recruited well. Or a club that played ambitious football. We have no identity past being ever present and dull.

[Audrey Horne]

I was away with a Wigan fan at the weekend and know loads of Preston fans and go to Deepdale from time to time, even know a few Southport fans.

I am not having a go at you for you feeling like you do, it is frustrating and I moan about it all the time but we don't have a clue what it is like to be really shit and have zero ambition with a dump of stadium.

its absolutely different though imo.

These clubs have zero expectation, so they just go along for the ride and dont neccessarily strive for much. My neighbour is a ST holder at Wigan, he said there is no expectation for the club, of course they feel up when win and low when lose but it isnt that frustration.

With Everton, we have expectations, as fans we want certain things, to finish in certain places and with the shitshow we are in, this is infuriating.

[Lazarou II]

I know what your saying and its probably right but no club seems stuck like ours have been. Wigan have probably been in every league over the last 20 years. Won an fa cup which probably seemed impossible. We are infinitely better than most teams and in a better position going forwards but we just never do anything. Its not that we fall short its that we consistently tie our own hands.

It seems important that weve never been relegated but weve been left behind by plenty of teams that have been. I dont expect anything beyond us just looking competent. When the fuck was the club really competent

Basically it is boring as fuck, and I agree.

Doesn't help with Moyes being at the helm as we all know his foibles, we have some exciting young players but he just won't let them learn on the job and his tactics are boring too.

[Lazarou II]

its absolutely different though imo.

These clubs have zero expectation, so they just go along for the ride and dont neccessarily strive for much. My neighbour is a ST holder at Wigan, he said there is no expectation for the club, of course they feel up when win and low when lose but it isnt that frustration.

With Everton, we have expectations, as fans we want certain things, to finish in certain places and with the shitshow we are in, this is infuriating.

I get what you saying but my mate doesn't want to see them languishing in League One losing £7 million a year, and the owner doesn't give shit. I would say there is expectations from all fans of all clubs, most wanting to be better than they currently are.

[Audrey Horne]

I get what you saying but my mate doesn't want to see them languishing in League One losing £7 million a year, and the owner doesn't give shit. I would say there is expectations from all fans of all clubs, most wanting to be better than they currently are.

Yeah of course, all fans want their team to be successful, and better than they are doing.

But i do think the idea that we are in better position, or we have ' no clue' about what its like to be really shit, is diluting things a bit and kind of straw man.

[777Kidnappings]

Basically it is boring as fuck, and I agree.

Doesn't help with Moyes being at the helm as we all know his foibles, we have some exciting young players but he just won't let them learn on the job and his tactics are boring too.

Agree about moyes but I think it goes way beyond that. The problem isnt so much moyes is everton manager. The problem is moyes is the perfect manager for everton. We want a different manager because we want a different everton to the 1 weve had for decades.

[Lazarou II]

Being with a pie muncher all weekend gave me slightly different perspective on what being shit and hopeless really is.

[Cods]

Edit: fixed and reposted.

[kramer]

Think I’m ready to accept Howe with open arms even though I know there’d be a lot of weeks where it’d be sloppy, wide open, playground football.

We have too many guys who can play to have Merlin Röhl in the team over actual, skilled wide men and Hackney sat watching midfielders who can’t break lines or stitch passing moves together.

[74Blue]

Think I’m ready to accept Howe with open arms even though I know there’d be a lot of weeks where it’d be sloppy, wide open, playground football.

We have too many guys who can play to have Merlin Röhl in the team over actual, skilled wide men and Hackney sat watching midfielders who can’t break lines or stitch passing moves together.

At least it would be mildly entertaining again. Having endured Benitez, Allardyce, Dyche and Moyes' very similar shades of turgid shite football, Eddie Howe would be a breath of fresh air.