Man City found guilty of 114 charges

[blueToffee]

End of the prem this

They are going to look like idiots if Man City are able to keep this going, potentially even winning the league this year or next if they really can stall and the PL is out there handing them the trophy.

[TheRam]

@brap2

How so? Super League type of thing back on the table?

Would say right off the bat the legitimacy of the premier league is in major doubt.

City are going to continue to compete whilst this plays out. They’re top of the league having won every single game. If they go onto win the league whilst this isn’t the resolved then that’s a disaster for the league.

If city get hit with the hardest punishment how does the league contend with what they’ve allowed to happen over the last fifteen years?

Then you have the other clubs in the premier league. What happens if the regulator decides to look into the rest of the league?

Dodgy PSR transfers, blag sponsorship deals, multi club ownership, weird long terms contracts. They’re all at it.

Bear in mind the premier league didn’t even investigate City. This all come to light through an article in Germany.

Then you have the huge amounts of money going around that’s essentially built on credit and isn’t even real money.

There was an article a few weeks ago claiming that the league is at risk of a 2008 style crash if it continues on the path it is on.

The premier league will still exist, but I don’t see how there aren’t major repercussions across the league because of this.

[4evablu]

I think this is an opportunity for the PL to clean its house out…re-organise their “rules” to ensure it doesn’t happen again….and make their new rules “fit for purpose” that doesn’t just suit the big 6….but gives an equal opportunity for all clubs to start from a level playing field…..(excuse the pun)…..
I don’t see why they should have the pleasure of being relegated…..they’ve cheated everyone….end of….why inflict them on the EFL only to run rings round them and win their leagues….in a way those clubs are being “ penalised” by having them…
For me they should be banned from English football completely for say 3-5 years….this would also mean they can’t play in Europe as not being able to qualify…..that being on top of a massive fine for being found guilty…in the first instance…plus compensation to all clubs involved…..

[MayorFarnham]

Will they need to. Maybe to continue at their current level but assuming its 1 relegation id much rather be in their position going forwards than our own

I don't get the impression they've built up a significant worldwide fan base during this period. They rarely sold out home games.
Because of all the suspicions that have been around since the takeover and the ridiculously rapid rise I have never associated the current Man City with the previous one of Tommy Caton and Joe Corrigan so this just feels like the end of a club that came from nowhere.
The big six will just become the big five and forget about City.

[AjaxAndy]

It all becomes very complicated as any expulsion from the league would have to be timed with the end of the season, otherwise how would that work?

Would they be excluded but continue to play until that point?

Would they be immediately excluded and all games they've played be null and void?

Would the EFL allow them to join mid season?

It almost seems impossible to boot them out unless they don't announce the sanctions until the end of the season.

In the meantime they would have to impose a points deduction for their PSR breaches to ensure they didn't win the league, and maybe remove them from the cup competitions.

So I think they may well do something like hit them with points deductions for just the PSR element, and then look to address the other issues at the end of the season.

Obviously becomes even more complicated when City appeal, as they could potentially drag it out so that any expulsion ends up happening mid way through a following season, making all the above issues prevelent again.

I'm starting to think the only workable strong punishment is to remove them from all professional football, and them have to restart as a new club at the bottom of the pyramid.

[Robioto]

The "worldwide fanbase" will move on to the next team / shiny object. Manchester City have mainly manufactured fan appeal and that will be as clear as day if they get justly punished. People will move on, it's the fans in Manchester that I maybe feel a little sorry for (although they were a disgrace towards Exeter City and thier fans in the 10-0 last season, so fuck them)

[Robioto]

I'm starting to think the only workable strong punishment is to remove them from all professional football, and them have to restart as a new club at the bottom of the pyramid.

This is probably what should happen. Make them start again. But it won't will it.

[AjaxAndy]

This is probably what should happen. Make them start again. But it won't will it.

No it's unlikely I'll admit... Having said that I'm struggling to see any justification for anything less given the near £1bn fraud they've been found guilty of.

[blueToffee]

“Well, I would be really concerned to lose them [City’s owners]. They’ve been such a huge partner in the building of modern Manchester. Obviously, the building of Manchester City into the global force that it is.

“I can’t intervene more in the process. It would be wrong for me to do that. It would be wrong, I think, to jump to a conclusion before having really studied all of the detail, but obviously it’s ongoing, and because it’s still contested by Manchester City, then I think it’s right that I don’t say much more.”

He added: “I fought for Everton in that situation because I still hold the view, very firmly, that they weren’t fairly treated in that process. I am not privy to all of the points of contestation between City and the Premier League, and I believe you know those are arguments that are still going on.

“I remember people proclaiming Everton guilty at the time, and you know, with hindsight, I think more people would say that wasn’t fair the way that was handled. So it would be wrong of me to leap to one side given the experience that I’d had before becoming prime minister.”

“Oh indeed, I do actually thank the City football group and the wider ownership for the money that they didn’t just put into the Etihad and the campus around it, but also into the city,” he said.

[TheRam]

Nonsense from Burnham that.

[TheRam]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... SApp_Other

Clubs pushing for a punishment that goes beyond relegating them to the championship.

All the top clubs have reserved the right to sue them two years ago.

[NomadskiEFC]

I want to see the absolute scenes of Richard Masters having to hand City a title trophy at the end of this season, while all this is still going on.

It will be farcical, but really quite funny.

[brap2]

Nonsense from Burnham that.

I can understand it.

Look at the area around the etihad vs the area around old Trafford.

And city’s crime is…flaunting made up rules that were probably a few years old at that point? FFP came into the league in 2011!

Glazers have run united into the pits, old Trafford is a dump as is the area around it, their fans are constantly price gouged in favour of foreign tourists, and they’ve even tried to leave the league…but it’s a bigger crime to…spend your own money as we all did up until about 2009 anyway?

[brap2]

Turn back the clock and offer me them as owners with everything playing out exactly as it has…

I’m saying yes without missing a beat.

[chang]

Is there any criminal implications with this ? False accounting, hiding huge sums from balance sheets, companies house, HMRC ?