Man City found guilty of 114 charges

[Cereal Killer]

The PL and other clubs apparently reluctant to go down the route of stripping titles…

[Gash]

The PL and other clubs apparently reluctant to go down the route of stripping titles…

...although a points deduction, huge fine or possibly even expulsion from the Premier League are thought to be more likely.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... vzzj17682o

[MayorFarnham]

There's little argument against if you've been found guilty you should be punished. However, I can't enthuse about a governing body imposing sanctions that ensure 95 percent of clubs have to cap their ambition at making up the numbers in the Premier League.
What's left for us, maybe UEFA will continue to invent more competitions so that one day we can look forward to a final on a Monday evening against Genk at Pittodrie.

[Toddacelli]

Imagine all the tv sky sports subscribers saying they want their money back because they paid to watch a fair sporting competition. I can honestly see a version of the future where the Premier League dissolves and it becomes something else entirely - if only to make it easier to let Man City get away with harsher punishment. Premier League is no longer fit for purpose.

And what if they’re relegated? Does the bottom team who got promoted have to drop back down again or do they try and make fixtures with an extra team work?

And what if they win and Burnley miss out on a promotion place and they decide to sue City because if they hadn’t have cheated they would not have been in that league with the unfair advantage of a PL squad.

It just goes on and on.

Not. Fit. For. Purpose.

[Toddacelli]

[Bluedylan1]

If people wanted to get a sense of what City fans are really thinking and saying, ranging from naivety and outright delusion to some frank honesty.

Warning - if you can't handle the word ''bro'' and it's overuse, it might not be for you. But I think it gives a real insight. Starts around 3:20.

[74Blue]

Indirectly, Everton could find themselves punished all over again, as IIRC, the N'Diaye deal included add ons. Be interesting to know what the add ons were and how this ruling will affect City's ability to achieve/pay them. The reported £60m+ fee could end up being even less than what we were getting from Tottenham for him, depending upon how much we received up front and how the add ons were structured. That would be completely Everton that!

[AjaxAndy]

I was thinking about this last night, and I think a fair punishment would be one that put City back where they were prior to everything that's happened... That was a mid table premier league team.

To achieve that, whilst ensuring they couldn't just buy their way back to the top I think the below is probably the minimum that would achieve it.

1) Strip all titles, cups etc. There's a precedent for this, Lance Armstrong lost all his titles due to cheating, Olympians likewise. It's fairly standard in sport, and an exception shouldn't be made here.

2) Relegated to League 2. Yes it'll only take them 3 years to get back to the Premier League, but they'll lose all their best players by then.

3) A 5 year transfer ban. They have a deep squad, a top academy and so they won't struggle as a result of this but it ensures that when their best players leave (which they'll have to in order to comply with lower league SCR rules), they can't bank that money and use once back in the Premier League as too much time will have passed for it to count towards CSR.

What this should leave is a City team that loses it's global appeal, it's best players, it's titles and cups, and has to run sustainably at lower level rules to ensure they can't just jump straight back in 3 seasons with a CL level squad. It should in theory mean they end up exactly where they started before they cheated.

[Cereal Killer]

I was thinking about this last night, and I think a fair punishment would be one that put City back where they were prior to everything that's happened... That was a mid table premier league team.

To achieve that, whilst ensuring they couldn't just buy their way back to the top I think the below is probably the minimum that would achieve it.

1) Strip all titles, cups etc. There's a precedent for this, Lance Armstrong lost all his titles due to cheating, Olympians likewise. It's fairly standard in sport, and an exception shouldn't be made here.

2) Relegated to League 2. Yes it'll only take them 3 years to get back to the Premier League, but they'll lose all their best players by then.

3) A 5 year transfer ban. They have a deep squad, a top academy and so they won't struggle as a result of this but it ensures that when their best players leave (which they'll have to in order to comply with lower league SCR rules), they can't bank that money and use once back in the Premier League as too much time will have passed for it to count towards CSR.

What this should leave is a City team that loses it's global appeal, it's best players, it's titles and cups, and has to run sustainably at lower level rules to ensure they can't just jump straight back in 3 seasons with a CL level squad. It should in theory mean they end up exactly where they started before they cheated.

Prepare to be disappointed

[AjaxAndy]

Prepare to be disappointed

Oh yeah no doubt unfortunately!

[Granite]

I think the PL would be cutting its nose off if it did anything that lead to Haaland leaving City. It would massively impact their “product” that’s why I can’t see there being any drastic punishment.

For all the talent in this league, he’s the only genuine global superstar.

[Evertonfc15]

I was thinking about this last night, and I think a fair punishment would be one that put City back where they were prior to everything that's happened... That was a mid table premier league team.

To achieve that, whilst ensuring they couldn't just buy their way back to the top I think the below is probably the minimum that would achieve it.

1) Strip all titles, cups etc. There's a precedent for this, Lance Armstrong lost all his titles due to cheating, Olympians likewise. It's fairly standard in sport, and an exception shouldn't be made here.

2) Relegated to League 2. Yes it'll only take them 3 years to get back to the Premier League, but they'll lose all their best players by then.

3) A 5 year
transfer ban. They have a deep squad, a top academy and so they won't struggle as a result of this but it ensures that when their best players leave (which they'll have to in order to comply with lower league SCR rules), they can't bank that money and use once back in the Premier League as too much time will have passed for it to count towards CSR.

What this should leave is a City team that loses it's global appeal, it's best players, it's titles and cups, and has to run sustainably at lower level rules to ensure they can't just jump straight back in 3 seasons with a CL level squad. It should in theory mean they end up exactly where they started before they cheated.

thats what should happen - anything less is a let off

[AjaxAndy]

I think the PL would be cutting its nose off if it did anything that lead to Haaland leaving City. It would massively impact their “product” that’s why I can’t see there being any drastic punishment.

For all the talent in this league, he’s the only genuine global superstar.

If they don't punish them it basically ends any sort of financial restrictions though, given the evidence is apparently vast and damning.

If they don't want to strip titles, relegated them etc, then fine them £1bn and invest the entirety of it in all weather grass roots pitches around the country. It's amazing how many kids games are on grass and entirely up to the gods as to whether they go ahead or not... I reckon my 11 year old has missed at least an entire season of matches due to weather over the past 3 years.

[Evertonfc15]

The PL and other clubs apparently reluctant to go down the route of stripping titles…

apart from manu and liverpool.......

[Bluedylan1]

It'll absolutely have to be a drastic punishment. Anybody saying ''they won't even be relegated'' I think isn't grasping the enormity of what they've done.

They've basically voided the entirety of Premier League football from 2009 to the current day, not just for themselves but for everyone involved. It's all tainted and asterisked. It's the biggest example of cheating ever in any sport, in terms of the widespread impact on everyone.

Obviously we all know the financial rules are poorly constructed, but that's a different point. The point stands that they have knowingly cheated, deceived and covered up the cheating for the best part of 2 decades, while almost everyone else involved has followed those deeply imperfect rules.

The owners have ruined that club forever basically. This will never be forgotten about. City fans will still have this leveled at them in 50 years time, if football and the human race still exists.

Their owners have hired 28 (!) of the best lawyers in the world on vast sums of money to prevent this case from ever reaching this stage, and to prevent it from ever seeing the light of day, because of the enormity of the case and it's repercussions. And thankfully they've failed.

To people who say ''City fans will still have the memories'', I think that is pure cope from the point of view of City fans. None of the memories are real. None of the trophies are real. All of the players and managers, as brilliant as they are, who have operated under this regime are asterisked forever. I'm a huge Guardiola fan and always have been, but a decade of his managerial career basically means absolutely nothing now. It's null and void.

And there are precedents in other sports, as others have said. When you watch cycling now, the commentators won't even refer to the Lance Armstrong years. It's the dirty secret in the family that no-one talks about or acknowledges. Same with Ben Johnson and other dopers in Athletics. You don't see their races replayed in highlights packages. They are consigned to the scrapheap of history. They don't count and they'll never count.

For the Premier League to be a remotely valid thing in the coming years, with even a semblance of credibility and sporting integrity, the punishment will have to be appropriately brutal. Otherwise the global brand will be destroyed beyond repair.