Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall

[Bumble]

Looks absolutely gassed after 65 mins every week. Works hard but should be judged on goals in that position and he has 1 in 7 so far this season. So he is underperforming by that metric, as you want close to double figures in output if you are going to play that position.

Not unreasonable to play others in that role to see what they are like, either from the start or certainly for the last 20, when he visibly can't take his short frame around a pitch with the same amount of energy as he does in the first 20.

We shouldn't be bothered whether it's him, Alcaraz or Hackney who makes the difference in the final third. We have options now.

[Toddacelli]

Contributes well when we’re playing well.
Much more anonymous when we’re not.

[AjaxAndy]

Is it even that controversial a shout? Is Sigurdsson now seen as some sort of completely useless joke?

I had extremely strong feelings about signing sig and bashed him relentlessly during his time here, but he has SEVERAL double figure g+a prem seasons under his belt (three back to back at one point!), even managing two at us.

Dewsbury hall has ONE and he’s 28 years old?

Why are we acting like he’s guaranteed CL quality?

Two very different players.

If Sig was judged just on goal involvements he'd be remembered well, but we all know the stats don't tell even close to the full story with him.

Was he a better goal threat? Absolutely.

His impact on the whole team was diabolical though, and although KDH is out of form he is 10x the team player Sig was.

Again when someone constantly calls someone Dudsbury-Small it's hard to take anything they say seriously when they throw out random stuff like 'worse than Sigurdsson'.

[StirlingBlue]

Brap isn’t the only one who is saying it to be fair to him, there’s lots of similarities between the two that really doesn’t make it a controversial shout.

We probably view Sigurdsson through overly negative lenses and KDH is enjoying the benefit of the doubt as he was good last year

[StirlingBlue]

Per ninety stat comparison of their best Everton’s seasons, pretty similar

[AjaxAndy]

I hope we can continue this, and also compare many other players past and present over the next 3 weeks.

Tbf probably a whole lot better than the usual international break debates

[Escalator]

Per ninety stat comparison of their best Everton’s seasons, pretty similar

Oh ffs , just what we needed

[brap2]

Two very different players.

If Sig was judged just on goal involvements he'd be remembered well, but we all know the stats don't tell even close to the full story with him.

Was he a better goal threat? Absolutely.

His impact on the whole team was diabolical though, and although KDH is out of form he is 10x the team player Sig was.

Again when someone constantly calls someone Dudsbury-Small it's hard to take anything they say seriously when they throw out random stuff like 'worse than Sigurdsson'.

Not random though is it. They play in the same position for the same team and are being directly compared by another poster.

‘10x the team player’ apparently not a random outlandish statement though? Ok gotcha

[AjaxAndy]

Not random though is it. They play in the same position for the same team and are being directly compared by another poster.

‘10x the team player’ apparently not a random outlandish statement though? Ok gotcha

They both play the 10 but that's about where the similarities end imo.

With regards team players, yes KDH is much more a team player, I can't remember a single time he's pretended to grab at a player's shirt as a faux attempt at pressing like a certain Icelandic we all knew and failed to love.

[Blueomar]

Sigurdsson Sigurdsson Sigurdsson

Dang, nothing happened!

[brap2]

They both play the 10 but that's about where the similarities end imo.

With regards team players, yes KDH is much more a team player, I can't remember a single time he's pretended to grab at a player's shirt as a faux attempt at pressing like a certain Icelandic we all knew and failed to love.

No worries good talking to you

[Bluedylan1]

https://www.whoscored.com/articles/sECP ... his-season

Dewsbury-Hall offers perhaps the most complete pressing-to-possession profile of the five. He has won possession in the attacking third eight times, second only to Kostoulas, while also making 19 touches in the opposition box.

The most striking number, however, is his 36 penalty-area entries, comfortably the highest of this group. That suggests a player who is not only helping to regain possession but is repeatedly making the subsequent runs that turn pressure into territory and attacking presence.

Dewsbury-Hall has also completed 122 accurate forward-zone passes, the highest figure among the five players. Add an error leading to a shot and the picture becomes even clearer: his contribution is not limited to defensive pressure, with his ability to move the ball forward and arrive in dangerous areas making him a key link between pressing and attacking play.

[TheRam]

Sigurdson did none of that.

They could not be more different.

[AjaxAndy]

https://www.whoscored.com/articles/sECP ... his-season

Thanks, that's basically what I was trying to get across, but this is a far better version of that!

[Toddacelli]

I think what we have here is a debate over style vs output.