Matt1878 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 11:35 am
How are you working that out?
We finished 13th last season from falling down the league in the last 6 games, compared to finishing strongly in the last 6 to pull ourselves up to 13th in the season he came back.
Dont disagree with achieve or leave btw, if we dont finish top half, its time to move on.
We were 22 and 23 points off of 18th. Last season we were 9
Matt1878 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 11:52 am
I've already quoted a few of the plaudits he was getting 6 games back in this thread, but its obvious people want him gone 6 games later. So if we're going into next season with that lack of support for him being here, we might as we get rid of him now. You want the majority of your fans generally behind your manager or you're going downhill as soon as you hit some bumps.. and there's always some bumps.
brap2 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 11:27 am
Closer to relegation last season than the season previous weren’t we?
Hope and the club impose some expectation and don’t allow too much grace based on sentimentality.
Achieve or leave.
Regardless of which side of the fence someone sits (I'm more in the Moyes out camp than retain him), comments and views like this are just lacking in some much context it's kind of baffling.
Matt1878 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 11:35 am
How are you working that out?
We finished 13th last season from falling down the league in the last 6 games, compared to finishing strongly in the last 6 to pull ourselves up to 13th in the season he came back.
Dont disagree with achieve or leave btw, if we dont finish top half, its time to move on.
777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 12:16 pm
We were 22 and 23 points off of 18th. Last season we were 9
It's a bit a none argument though, West Ham had 14 more points in 18th than Leicester the year before and 13 more than Luton the year before that, it's a huge total to go down with these days. Looking back, Birmingham in 2010/11 were the last team to go down with that high a total, the last few years, high 20s to low 30s would keep you up.
Gash wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 1:09 pm
It's a bit a none argument though, West Ham had 14 more points in 18th than Leicester the year before and 13 more than Luton the year before that, it's a huge total to go down with these days. Looking back, Birmingham in 2010/11 were the last team to go down with that high a total, the last few years, high 20s to low 30s would keep you up.
All positions in the table are relevant year on year surely.
For the points totals as they landed, we were closer to the amount of points that send you down this year than we were the previous two.
And yet we achieved our highest points total in the last 5 years. I think that point is mainly a reflection on the strength of the 18th placed finisher this year. Likely, many clubs would be closer to 18th points wise this year, as a result.
brap2 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 1:11 pm
All positions in the table are relevant year on year surely.
For the points totals as they landed, we were closer to the amount of points that send you down this year than we were the previous two.
Not really, it's a weird stick to beat Moyes with, West Ham were 17 points above 19th, it's not really comparable. Using the logic of points between finishing places Arsenal had a worse season this year than last, this season they finished 46 points ahead of relegation, last season they were 49 points ahead of relegation, or you could argue we steadied the ship as we finished the same points off top as last season, neither are valid comparisons though.
Gash wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 1:24 pm
Not really, it's a weird stick to beat Moyes with, West Ham were 17 points above 19th, it's not really comparable. Using the logic of points between finishing places Arsenal had a worse season this year than last, this season they finished 46 points ahead of relegation, last season they were 49 points ahead of relegation, or you could argue we steadied the ship as we finished the same points off top as last season, neither are valid comparisons though.
I don’t think arsenal are comparing themselves to relegation. They comparing themselves to first place. How did they get on for that?
Some of our fans, and our manager (once it became apparent he’d fucked it and needed to manage expectations and get ahead of the criticism) are comparing us to relegation places.
It’s not a stick to beat him with and I don’t bring up relegation, Matt did. So okay well by that metric we’re getting closer?
brap2 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 1:34 pmI don’t think arsenal are comparing themselves to relegation. They comparing themselves to first place. How did they get on for that?
Some of our fans, and our manager (once it became apparent he’d fucked it and needed to manage expectations and get ahead of the criticism) are comparing us to relegation places.
It’s not a stick to beat him with and I don’t bring up relegation, Matt did. So okay well by that metric we’re getting closer?
That's kind of the point though, it's a daft comparison.
We finished closer to relegation because the team in 18th had 14 more points than the season before, I could see the argument if we'd finished with 14 points less but we didn't.
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 12:27 pm
Regardless of which side of the fence someone sits (I'm more in the Moyes out camp than retain him), comments and views like this are just lacking in some much context it's kind of baffling.
I think its when people say we were in relegation trouble the previous 2 seasons but not this 1. Thats without the same amount of context. The truth is weve stood still for 3 seasons and wasted money last year when we finally had some to spend
