David Moyes

[Silas]

He had an open goal this season with everyone around us stumbling every week and he still couldn't do it.

What makes you think he can make that step? Nothing in his career to far indicates he can.

He's made Europe with us and West Ham?

End of the season has been abysmal and I won't be devastated if he goes but I also think getting someone else in this early is pressing panic button without cause.

[blueToffee]

I doubt we move him on too. The owners did get a bit trigger happy when the first went to Roma though.

As with a lot of things it's about the expectations, if those hadn't been raised to start realistically thinking about Europe then finishing bottom half but clear of danger wouldn't have been seen as negatively as it does now.

[Shogun]

We might end up 14th here after 5th being on the cards a month ago.

Opportunity was there to be seized and like we seen countless times first spell he was here and already in the cups this season, Moyes shit the bed.

[Cozzie]

I'm just interested to see how ambitious the Friedkins are really.

If they are serious they likely move him on.

Always has been and continues to be terrible regarding youth prospects.

Trusting his soldiers and refusing to rejig a back 4 that was conceding bucket loads of goals isn't good enough.

It's no one's decision but the owners but I doubt they will be happy with no Europe after that outlay.

[777Kidnappings]

I doubt we move him on too. The owners did get a bit trigger happy when the first went to Roma though.

As with a lot of things it's about the expectations, if those hadn't been raised to start realistically thinking about Europe then finishing bottom half but clear of danger wouldn't have been seen as negatively as it does now.

I dont really get this raised expections nonsense. Weve got significantly less points than moyes was winning us per game last season and pretty much the same amount as dyche was winning us the season before having spent money for the 1st time. It literally is the same old shite. Weve stayed clear of relegation because we didnt have a points deduction or because we didnt have dyche on self destruct not because weve won any more points

[blueToffee]

I dont really get this raised expections nonsense. Weve got significantly less points than moyes was winning us per game last season and pretty much the same amount as dyche was winning us the season before having spent money for the 1st time. It literally is the same old shite. Weve stayed clear of relegation because we didnt have a points deduction or because we didnt have dyche on self destruct not because weve won any more points

A lot of things go into raised expectations though, including the state of the league. There was an opening this year when there isn't always.

So points return may have been similar but the state of the league gave the chance for Europe. Most fans would've taken a more "stress free" midtable consolidation season on the back of recent years though before a ball was kicked, that did change over the course of the season though as the longer we lingered in the top half of the league.

[Big Nevs Vaz]

He’s done a fine job but I can see him being under pressure very quickly if next season starts as poorly as this one has finished.

[Indiantoffee75]

He even managed to piss on Colemans parade with more than half the stadium emptying out.

[Kerryblueboy]

Move on from him please before we have to sack him I respect what he has done but need change new stadium new start but same old Moyes

[Indiantoffee75]

As shit as the past month or so has been I’d still stick with Moyes next season.

But my goodness let’s get the summer recruitment right, surely the team or committee or whatever you want to call it are better placed now and we don’t end up signing £30m teenagers that don’t even come off the bench.

I think your clutching at straws in getting the recruitment right.

No evidence of that, no european football and which players are coming here to play for a very conservative manager.

We'll be making signings in August and scambling around on deadline day like we do every season. Nothing is changing in that respect and whilst Moyes is here

[777Kidnappings]

A lot of things go into raised expectations though, including the state of the league. There was an opening this year when there isn't always.

So points return may have been similar but the state of the league gave the chance for Europe. Most fans would've taken a more "stress free" midtable consolidation season on the back of recent years though before a ball was kicked, that did change over the course of the season though as the longer we lingered in the top half of the league.

I dont know if most fans would have been happy with 49pts and 12th. Thats what we were doing before anyway. I think we had raised expections in part because of what moyes did last season and in part because of the new ownership and money. Weve reverted back to where we were though.

[Cozzie]

Also, I heard one of the commentators mention Moyes saying he was surprised how many players turned Everton down because we weren't in Europe.

God knows who we are gonna go for now.

Look at the players we are (supposedly) linked with.

Souceck. Richarlison, Stones etc.

All tried and tested 30+ year olds.

If its true I don't see what the point of stagnating for another year under moyes achieves.

Show ambition and get yourself a modern young coach.

[Nicco]

I don't know if players have looked shite recently because we've not rotated enough, or the players have just been shite.

It feels to a degree we have stagnated because we have often just played the regulars no matter their form. Tim, Rohl, George, Dibling, Aznou etc barely featured across the season. You can't tell me that Dibling couldn't have done what Ndiaye or KDH did that game though.

This is a movie I've seen before....

[Bluedylan1]

Had a mostly excellent first 75/80% of the season, to get us into a great position.

And then since that 3 week break, after the Chelsea result, we've completely fallen apart and obviously he has to take a good share of the blame for that. I do also think a number of ''senior'' players need to take a serious look at themselves for not producing the same levels of performance at the end of the season, when it really mattered.

Hard to know what to put that down to in all honesty. It's not like he's made wild tactical decisions that he wasn't making previously. He's picked the team that most of us would've selected, bar one or two players here and there. He's been quite slow with his subs at times, but he's made the subs most of us would've made (Barry, George etc), and we've often conceded late goals after those subs were made. Could and should he have rotated the first team more often and earlier in the season? Probably yes. That's a fair criticism. Players like Rohl, Iroegbunam, Armstrong, Dibling could've been used more often for sure.

I think we've had a few things go against us, obviously, like a number of poor decisions that have directly cost us points. That definitely doesn't help when most of your games are finely balanced and are a 1 goal win either way or a draw.

The main thing problem I come back to is mentality though, which is hard to discuss or quantify as an outsider looking in. It seems like we were doing really well when we were overachieving with limited expectations for the first 75% of the season, but the moment we had a real chance of achieving something and expectation came upon us and outside people started talking about us, we've completely collapsed and conceded late goals in a number of games and then it's become a self-perpetuating thing.

And obviously that ''knife to a gunfight'' thing has always been something levelled at Moyes. This end of season collapse won't help with that perception. He's a genuinely excellent manager in getting a club to a certain level or stability and even prosperity, but when it gets near the rarified air of the top positions, he doesn't seem to have the ability to transcend those limitations and this is another datapoint to support that perception.

It's a really tough one to accept, because we're now going into the summer with a bit of a shadow hanging over the club, when it could and probably should've been a massively positive summer, talking about an upcoming Europe League or Conference League campaign. Now he's on the backfoot, and much as I am a fan of his, he's going to have to do extra next season to prove a lot of his doubters wrong, which is a pressure we could do without as a club.

Massively disappointed.

[Cereal Killer]

We all know how this goes

Let him spend £150m on players he wants in the summer

Sack him off by November