Beto

[superpull]

"getting into double figures" is now the yardstick of success at Everton!

[Cods]

Didn't make for pleasant reading.

Would be nice to find a striker who could score 15 and have Beto continue at his rate/90.

A few from Charly and Skiliman, and Jarrod and Jake from set pieces.

[Free Agent]

Yeah, everyone needs to chip in. Can’t be relying on one individual to score all the goals.

[Granite]

You see those stats and we’re not a serious club, are we?

Onwards to better.

[Kerryblueboy]

What a player lukaku was so consistent

[Mouse]

Not really wissa and Mbuemu were almost there this season wood as well so it isn’t like they aren’t there we just have to find the right one dcl scored 20 under Carlo I think

Just to add a bit of context to the idea that 20 goals is some sort of benchmark. Of the 6 top scorers (I'll include 6 as Wissa is 6th on 19), three are usual suspects, Salah, Haaland and Isak. Quality players.

Of the rest, Mbuema hit 20 despite a career high of NINE in his previous 3 Premier League seasons for Brentford and an awe inspriing 8 in their promotion season in the Championship. Wissa scored 7 in each of his first two seasons for Brentford and 12 last season. I challenge anyone to say they predicted these both hitting +/-20 goals this season. The other 20 goal striker is the war-horse that is Chris Wood. He maxed at 14 in 5 seasons for Burnley (I know, Dyche), 2 in each season at Newcastle and 14 in his previous season at Forest.

We are talking outliers who have either taken a great step forward, had the good fortune to work under a manager whose tactics matched their, and colleagues, skill-sets or just had that golden season (remember Jelavic?).

I'm not arguing that Beto will make similar strides or that he is the ultimate solution but that we should not write him off or pretend there are a bunch of young, 20+ strikers out there queueing up for us to spot. All the above have far more Premier League experience and played under far better managers (at least this season in the case of Wood) than Beto has for most of his time at Everton.

[Cozzie]

Since Lineker:

1986/87 Trevor Steven 14
1987/88 Graeme Sharp 13
1988/89 Tony Cottee 13
1989/90 Tony Cottee 13
1990/91 Tony Cottee 10
1991/92 Peter Beardsley 15
1992/93 Tony Cottee 12
1993/94 Tony Cottee 16
1994/95 Paul Rideout 14
1995/96 Andrei Kanchelskis 15
1996/97 Duncan Ferguson 10
1997/98 Duncan Ferguson 11
1998/99 Kevin Campbell 9
1999/2000 Kevin Campbell 12
2000/01 Kevin Campbell 9
2001/02 Duncan Ferguson/Tomasz Radzinski 6
2002/03 Tomasz Radzinski 11
2003/04 Wayne Rooney 9
2004/05 Tim Cahill 11
2005/06 James Beattie 10
2006/07 Andy Johnson 11
2007/08 Yakubu 15
2008/09 Tim Cahill/Marouane Fellaini 8
2009/10 Louis Saha 13
2010/11 Tim Cahill 9
2011/12 Nikica Jelavic 9
2012/13 Marouane Fellaini 11
2013/14 Romelu Lukaku 15
2014/15 Romelu Lukaku 10
2015/16 Romelu Lukaku 18
2016/17 Romelu Lukaku 25
2017/18 Wayne Rooney 10
2018/19 Gylfi Sigurdsson/Richarlison 13
2019/20 Richarlison/Dominic Calvert-Lewin 13
2020/21 Dominic Calvert-Lewin 16
2021/22 Richarlison 10
2022/23 Dwight McNeil 7
2023/24 Dominic Calvert-Lewin/Abdoulaye Doucoure 7
2024/25 Iliman Ndiaye 9

Think Kancheslkis got 16, not like it matters.

Goes to show how rare a 20+ season striker actually is.

[Bluebridge]

Didn't make for pleasant reading.

Would be nice to find a striker who could score 15 and have Beto continue at his rate/90.

A few from Charly and Skiliman, and Jarrod and Jake from set pieces.

Skiliman! Love it

[Cods]

Skiliman! Love it

I can't claim that one mate, it's someone else's creativity.

[toffee_scot]

Would be great to have a striker who could guarantee us at worst around 15 goals a season like Lukaku. But they come at a huge premium.

Ideally we want to be able to unearth the next prolific forward player who would only cost us no more than about £7m.

I also wouldn’t mind having having 3 players who could score 25 goals a season between all of them rather than one striker who could reach that target themselves.

[AllyBlue14]

Had this debate earlier in the thread, but it's all about the wide players for me.

If Beto can reproduce the last few months' output over the course of a full season, we're unlikely to be able to afford a CF who moves the needle a great deal more (purely in terms of goals). Delap may or may not be that player but he's young enough to develop and knows where the goal is.

However, if we replace Harrison/Lindstrom/Young with a pacy RW that could contribute 8 goals, say, and a RB that could get forward, it'd transform the team without necessarily breaking the bank.

We're a way off being able to bring in a guaranteed 20-goal player, wherever they play. So, unless we strike incredibly lucky, we need to find a way of spreading the goals throughout the team and across the front 4.

[AjaxAndy]

Had this debate earlier in the thread, but it's all about the wide players for me.

If Beto can reproduce the last few months' output over the course of a full season, we're unlikely to be able to afford a CF who moves the needle a great deal more (purely in terms of goals). Delap may or may not be that player but he's young enough to develop and knows where the goal is.

However, if we replace Harrison/Lindstrom/Young with a pacy RW that could contribute 8 goals, say, and a RB that could get forward, it'd transform the team without necessarily breaking the bank.

We're a way off being able to bring in a guaranteed 20-goal player, wherever they play. So, unless we strike incredibly lucky, we need to find a way of spreading the goals throughout the team and across the front 4.

I'd imagine our pursuit of Delap comes from the fact he's likely to have comparable numbers to Beto so no drop off if we replaced one with the other.

However if he kicks on that £30m becomes £60m - £100m. So as you said he's young enough to develop, so in pure business terms it makes a lot of sense.

I'm not massively in to him as a player, but I do see the upside of signing him.

[StirlingBlue]

I think Beto’s all around game has shown sides of improvement so if he continues like that then you can see why Moyes might give him a chance.

My worry though is that his finishing is terribly predictable and I think teams clocked on after a few goals. You can’t just open up your body and go far corner finesse every time - I don’t know if he would match the numbers he’s been hitting per [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]] now keepers know he does that

[Paddockoldie]

Just love the guy. Think with better coaching and playing to his strength, he'll get more goals next season

[sam of the south]

Hmm