Financial Fairplay Investigation - Further 2 points deducted.

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What is the lowest amount of points you would feel content with receiving back from the appeal?

0
3
5%
1-3
4
7%
4-6
31
55%
7-9
5
9%
10
13
23%
 
Total votes: 56

777Kidnappings
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cassius wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:00 pm Isn't the £105m losses over 3 seasons 11 years old?

So no adjustments for inflation, and in a period when wages and fees have blown up

11 years ago Jack Roswell was joining Man City and we signed Thomas Hitzelsburger.

None of it is fair.

Sure I read with football inflation the 105m would be about 240m now.
Bluebridge
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cassius wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:00 pm Isn't the £105m losses over 3 seasons 11 years old?

So no adjustments for inflation, and in a period when wages and fees have blown up

11 years ago Jack Roswell was joining Man City and we signed Thomas Hitzelsburger.

None of it is fair.
This is the loophole I’m pinning my hopes on for it to be quashed, I’m sure the super Silk is going to rip the whole process to shreds.
superpull
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Lads, this isn't a legal or accounting contract where there might be loopholes or contradictory legislation.

We've not brought a KC on to pore over caselaw.

The rules at the start of each season were the rules we agreed to and then broke.

Our entire game plan here is to have got someone in who can say "10 points? That seems a bit harsh lads" in a much more eloquent way.

And @Goaljira , I was engaging in good faith thinking you had a counter-opinion. But that's border line conspiracy theory. Whilst I agree that may be the *effect* of the rules, it is not their stated purpose.
Shogun
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Think there's overlooking the very real threat of independent regulation. "10 points, lads? Guess we'll be sharing the information from this process with the government."

The might be their own organisation and have done whatever they want in the past but they're terrified of intervention at the moment.
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superpull wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:25 pm Lads, this isn't a legal or accounting contract where there might be loopholes or contradictory legislation.

We've not brought a KC on to pore over caselaw.

The rules at the start of each season were the rules we agreed to and then broke.

Our entire game plan here is to have got someone in who can say "10 points? That seems a bit harsh lads" in a much more eloquent way.

And @Goaljira , I was engaging in good faith thinking you had a counter-opinion. But that's border line conspiracy theory. Whilst I agree that may be the *effect* of the rules, it is not their stated purpose.
Its not even my opinion tbh. I don't know what I think anymore. I was just arguing the point because I wanted to try and get a discussion going over what was and wasn't a fair punishment and why to pass the time. Sorry!
Sirblue57
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Any contract has to follow certain guidlines.( i think) so if the PL contract has broken those guidelines, surely it can be considered unfair?
Any LEGAL document should follow certain legalities. Which should include what the penalties are for breaking the contract.
Gary1878
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If you read the PL Handbook under section w50, 'Commission's Powers, they have an absolutely unlimited remit of what action they can take. Note, point W.51.10.

W.51. Having heard and considered such mitigating factors (if any) the Commission may:
W.51.1. reprimand the Respondent;
W.51.2. impose upon the Respondent a fine unlimited in amount and suspend any
part thereof;
W.51.3. in the case of a Respondent who is a Manager, Match Official, Official or
Player, suspend them from operating as such for such period as it shall
think fit;
W.51.4. in the case of a Respondent which is a Club:
W.51.4.1. suspend it from playing in League Matches or any matches in
competitions which form part of the Games Programmes or
Professional Development Leagues (as those terms are defined
in the Youth Development Rules) for such period as it thinks fit;
W.51.4.2. deduct points scored or to be scored in League Matches or such
other matches as are referred to in Rule W.51.4.1;
W.51.4.3. recommend that the Board orders that a League Match or such
other match as is referred to in Rule W.51.4.1 be replayed; and/
or
W.51.4.4. recommend that the League expels the Respondent from
membership in accordance with the provisions of Rule B.6;
W.51.5. order the Respondent to pay compensation unlimited in amount to any
Person or to any Club (or club);
W.51.6. cancel or refuse the registration of a Player registered or attempted to be
registered in contravention of these Rules;
W.51.7. impose upon the Respondent any combination of the foregoing or such
other penalty as it shall think fit;
W.51.8. make any such penalty conditional, including imposing the penalty unless
a defined action is taken by the Respondent within a defined period of
time;
W.51.9. order the Respondent to pay such sum by way of costs as it shall think fit
which may include the fees and expenses of members of the Commission;
and/or
W.51.10. make such other order as it thinks fit.

https://resources.premierleague.com/pre ... final-.pdf
Sirblue57
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Gary1878 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:34 pm If you read the PL Handbook under section w50, 'Commission's Powers, they have an absolutely unlimited remit of what action they can take. Note, point W.51.10.

W.51. Having heard and considered such mitigating factors (if any) the Commission may:
W.51.1. reprimand the Respondent;
W.51.2. impose upon the Respondent a fine unlimited in amount and suspend any
part thereof;
W.51.3. in the case of a Respondent who is a Manager, Match Official, Official or
Player, suspend them from operating as such for such period as it shall
think fit;
W.51.4. in the case of a Respondent which is a Club:
W.51.4.1. suspend it from playing in League Matches or any matches in
competitions which form part of the Games Programmes or
Professional Development Leagues (as those terms are defined
in the Youth Development Rules) for such period as it thinks fit;
W.51.4.2. deduct points scored or to be scored in League Matches or such
other matches as are referred to in Rule W.51.4.1;
W.51.4.3. recommend that the Board orders that a League Match or such
other match as is referred to in Rule W.51.4.1 be replayed; and/
or
W.51.4.4. recommend that the League expels the Respondent from
membership in accordance with the provisions of Rule B.6;
W.51.5. order the Respondent to pay compensation unlimited in amount to any
Person or to any Club (or club);
W.51.6. cancel or refuse the registration of a Player registered or attempted to be
registered in contravention of these Rules;
W.51.7. impose upon the Respondent any combination of the foregoing or such
other penalty as it shall think fit;
W.51.8. make any such penalty conditional, including imposing the penalty unless
a defined action is taken by the Respondent within a defined period of
time;
W.51.9. order the Respondent to pay such sum by way of costs as it shall think fit
which may include the fees and expenses of members of the Commission;
and/or
W.51.10. make such other order as it thinks fit.

https://resources.premierleague.com/pre ... final-.pdf
Look fine. BUT is it totally legal? Is it fair? Is it truly a fit and proper contract in this day and age?
superpull
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Sirblue57 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:57 pm Look fine. BUT is it totally legal? Is it fair? Is it truly a fit and proper contract in this day and age?
It's a private club. It can be what it wants.

No issues @Goaljira , I didn't mean to come across dismissive there.
Bluedylan1
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Carragher saying he thinks we're getting 2/3 points back, sounding suspiciously like Sky probably know what's happening.
Shogun
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Bluedylan1 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:17 pm Carragher saying he thinks we're getting 2/3 points back, sounding suspiciously like Sky probably know what's happening.
Disgrace. It's almost more of a slap in the face if it's only 2 points back.

Would love to see the breakdown in the report if it's true.
Bluedylan1
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Shogun wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:21 pm Disgrace. It's almost more of a slap in the face if it's only 2 points back.

Would love to see the breakdown in the report if it's true.
I mean I'm guessing and could be wrong. He might've just seen that tweet that said we're getting 2 point back, which may/may not be a wind up.

But you wouldn't be shocked if Sky already knew, and the Prem were waiting until after this evening's game to release the news.
The Doc
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Bluedylan1 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:17 pm Carragher saying he thinks we're getting 2/3 points back, sounding suspiciously like Sky probably know what's happening.
Yeah that's exactly what I thought, they already know.
Sir Stealth
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Bluedylan1 wrote:Carragher saying he thinks we're getting 2/3 points back, sounding suspiciously like Sky probably know what's happening.
Did he read my ITK post here yesterday?!


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Jamokachi
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We really need an answer here. This limbo is fucking horrible.
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