The race for... Europe?

[Gash]

Ownership issues with Roma are still a concern should we qualify.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... j0qlvj9qno

[Cods]

Something needs to change at this club. We recycle managers and players and keep circling back to a level. It is 100% a mentality issue we have, but how do we solve it?

It's 100% a money issue.

The players managers and staff, facilities etc etc are all reflective of money. We weren't too big to go down, we were lucky, but there is a glass ceiling that protects and maintains the order of things.

The 'other 14' clubs report only 43% of the total revenue of all clubs combined.

The top 5 (excluding Chelsea) report 50% of the total revenue of all clubs combined, equivalent to the other 15 combined.

[brap2]

[superpull]

You know, i think that tracks with what we've been feeling all season.

After a bad result we all fume, after a few we all accept and realise where we are as a club.
After a good result we all feel content that we are moving in the right direction and after a few good results we get carried away and expect champs league next year

[Cods]

The questions I'd be asking of this apparent open and shut case...

Highlighting 'timing' when using a 10 week rolling average? Not much to do with timing, more like longer term trends, or perhaps the timing of more and less difficult groups of fixtures?

What is statistically significant about a season where 90% of the data points range between 1.3 and 1.7 points per game? That's a run of 10 games which could include 4 wins, 1 draw and 5 losses compared with 5 wins 2 draws and 3 losses. Significant? Depends who we played, and when the good/bad results drop out of calculation. 2 games along and the 10 week rolling average could potentially alter by +/- 0.6ppg!

Last season's last 4 games which yielded 10pts did a lot of heavy lifting in the early part of this season. The spike and subsequent fall around week7 shows this as last season's good results dropped off the rolling average and our losses against Liverpool, Man City and Spurs.

The only thing that appears statistically significant here is the relative overachievment and also consistency of performance Moyes provides, despite the quality of opposition we face: the area between the yellow and blue lines highlights this over performance

[Cereal Killer]

The questions I'd be asking of this apparent open and shut case...

Highlighting 'timing' when using a 10 week rolling average? Not much to do with timing, more like longer term trends, or perhaps the timing of more and less difficult groups of fixtures?

What is statistically significant about a season where 90% of the data points range between 1.3 and 1.7 points per game? That's a run of 10 games which could include 4 wins, 1 draw and 5 losses compared with 5 wins 2 draws and 3 losses. Significant? Depends who we played, and when the good/bad results drop out of calculation. 2 games along and the 10 week rolling average could potentially alter by +/- 0.6ppg!

Last season's last 4 games which yielded 10pts did a lot of heavy lifting in the early part of this season. The spike and subsequent fall around week7 shows this as last season's results dropped off the rolling average.

The only thing that appears statistically significant here is the relative overachievment and also consistency of performance Moyes provides, despite the quality of opposition we face: the area between the yellow and blue lines highlights this over performance

So you’re saying we’ve got a chance?

[Cods]

So you’re saying we’ve got a chance?

Mathematically possible. Even at 1.4ppg

[brap2]

The questions I'd be asking of this apparent open and shut case...

Highlighting 'timing' when using a 10 week rolling average? Not much to do with timing, more like longer term trends, or perhaps the timing of more and less difficult groups of fixtures?

What is statistically significant about a season where 90% of the data points range between 1.3 and 1.7 points per game? That's a run of 10 games which could include 4 wins, 1 draw and 5 losses compared with 5 wins 2 draws and 3 losses. Significant? Depends who we played, and when the good/bad results drop out of calculation. 2 games along and the 10 week rolling average could potentially alter by +/- 0.6ppg!

Last season's last 4 games which yielded 10pts did a lot of heavy lifting in the early part of this season. The spike and subsequent fall around week7 shows this as last season's good results dropped off the rolling average and our losses against Liverpool, Man City and Spurs.

The only thing that appears statistically significant here is the relative overachievment and also consistency of performance Moyes provides, despite the quality of opposition we face: the area between the yellow and blue lines highlights this over performance

Which ultimately I think we’d all agree with!

Broadly we’ve said all season - but he results he’s getting out of this side are really good vs where we have been.

However we’ve also said - a lot of these games have not been good performances. We’ve have not been particularly playing great asa general rule. The results have been better than the performances by and large, part of that is Moyes.

The timing point is merely imo, the cheque is in the post with this kind of thing isn’t it? Does anyone outrun that performance forever? The shame for us is it’s landed in the last 5-6 games, wit a winnable derby to kick it off.

It’s coming for you at some point, hopefully not when you haven’t got enough time to reverse it and hopefully not when you’ve got your best chance to beat the shite in recent history.

[Shogun]

We are still well in it table wise but just sad we are almost certainly going to lose further ground next week and from there the season will probably fizzle out unfortunately.

[weimaranerblues]

Yeah them 2pts lost in injury time will cost us , needed 10 from 6 games , can't see us getting more than 4pts basically yeah will fizzle out after City smash us...

[Bumble]

Probably not thrash the same XI through every game and use more of the subs so everyone’s not dead on their feet by the end of the match

Has to be a major factor.

Same players making the same poor decisions with tired legs and minds at the end of the game.

Moyes has to notice this and be proactive in making sure it doesn't keep happening. Captain has to take some on field responsibility too, being as he is at the scene of the crime more often than not.

[Shogun]

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Grim viewing at the moment.

Sat 15:00 Brentford v West Ham
Sat 15:00 Wolves v Sunderland
Sat 15:00 Newcastle v Sunderland
Sat 17:30 Arsenal v Fulham
Sun 14:00 Bournemouth v Crystal Palace
Mon 15:00 Chelsea v Forest
Mon 20:00 Everton v Man City

I feel like if 3 of the teams above us get a win (i.e. meaning 8th will be 4-6 points ahead of us) then it's over unless we pull off a miracle against Man City. If that doesn't happen there's still slim hope.